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I shoot a 40 so it's all pretty much +p+. BTW a polymer frame is actually easier on your wrist than steel or aluminum as the polymer frame helps absorb recoil.
Gotta disagree on that one. Id much rather shoot a .40 from a steel frame than a polymer frame any day
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If you want some quality information on Wound Ballistics, type in "Dr. Gary K. Roberts"

In a search engine or in YouTube. Probably the best expert and info on ammunition and

it's effects on the Human Body.

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All of his research is nothing more that re-worded work from Col Martin Fackler from 20 years earlier
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I tend to use what the major agencies issue. If for no other reason than a defense in court, as unlikely as it might be.
Me too, mainly because they have done a lot of research so I don't have to.

I also lied, just checked the box that I bought last week for a new .40 cal and it isn't +P. Remington Golden Saber 165 grain.

The real shock came when I realized how much I overpaid for it at the shop! Haven't bought ammo in a while, it was $26.98 a box (and the store oh-so-generously gave me 10% off since I was buying a weapon). Sheeshers ammunition depot has it for 10.95!!! Oh well, since i only bought two boxes the shipping would have been nearly that much.
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Rule of thumb. In newer handguns if it doesn't say +P on the barrel, DON'T use +P.
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I rarely buy ammo at local shops. Its usually half the price online, especially when bought in bulk.

The "premium" stuff seems to usually come in 20-25 round boxes too, and you can usually get the 50 round "police" boxes of the same stuff online within a few bucks of what they want for the little boxes in the shops.
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I rarely buy ammo at local shops. Its usually half the price online, especially when bought in bulk.
I usually buy online too but I didn't have anything at all in that caliber (before I tried to keep everything to 9mm, this is my first 40) and wanted something I could take home for my exciting new HD purchase.

For some reason I thought stores marked it up by 20% or so, didn't realize they more than doubled the price.
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Check out www.sgammo.com really good prices on pistol defense ammo, gold dot, fed. HST, etc.. also, www.freedommunitions.com another good site for quality ammo good prices
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i wouldn't use FMJ or ball ammo in a carry gun..there is a liability there.. over penetration that could put bystanders in danger..find a good HP that's reliable and use it for defense..ball ammo doesn't really expand thus less terminal damage.. you would want to stop the threat as quickly as possible..
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Check out www.sgammo.com really good prices on pistol defense ammo, gold dot, fed. HST, etc.. also, www.freedommunitions.com another good site for quality ammo good prices
In the past I have used www.ammunitiondepot.com Very good customer service and fast shipping. They are based in FL and run by some South American guys.

Their prices on Golden Saber beat your sgammo.com site by 2 bucks a box ($10.91 compared to $12.95). Cheaper isn't always better but if I had a question I could call and get right through to a knowledgeable customer service person. When I buy online I like knowing I can easily reach real people so my order isn't stuck in cyberspace without explanation.
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For some reason I thought stores marked it up by 20% or so, didn't realize they more than doubled the price.
From what Ive seen, its usually 100% markup, as are most things in retail. Gun shops dont usually mark up the guns much at all, but everything else in the shops seems to hold true to that, if not more in some cases.
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Find out what the local LEA uses, use it. Court safe. Or: the biggest, heaviest, fastest that you can ACCURATELY HIT A target. SHOT PLACEMENT......
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This is 'Merica. If some is good, more has to be better, no? lol

Heard ".380+P? yep, it is called 9mm. 9mm+P? yep, it is called 357SIG. Pick the right gun not exotic ammo."
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I bought my wife a Sig 239 a while back, and we only fire +p or +p+ out of it. Handles it like a champ and is super reliable. My suggestion is to simply decide on which ammo you believe is best for you and buy it online in bulk to save costs. I carry 9mm Speer Gold Dot, so I bought 500 rounds of it for like $230 shipped to my door. For comparison, buying 500 rounds in my local gun store would have cost $610 including tax.
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One has a louder BANG than the other , cost a bit more , an may travel a wee bit further , it's not shall we say make the target any more dead than if shot with the lesser rated powder round , in the end If you need a bigger round than what you got , your better off getting a bigger caliber weapon ,,
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Gotta disagree on that one. Id much rather shoot a .40 from a steel frame than a polymer frame any day
Your personal preference is yours but while you may have convinced yourself there is less recoil with a steel frame, it just isn't so.

http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2...frame-flexing/

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The +P used to be the one in 9mm. Not anymore I think. Nowadays, all major manufacturers make effective and reliable ammunition regardless of the weight and/or velocity. What one should be looking for in selecting the ammunition is its reliability and accuracy in Your firearm, and ability to make quick follow up shots. At least, this is how I select my ammunition. At the moment, the 147 grain, standard pressure seems to be what works for me the best.

Edit: the above applies to handguns with at least 3.5 inch barrels. It gets a little more complicated with short barreled handguns.
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Your personal preference is yours but while you may have convinced yourself there is less recoil with a steel frame, it just isn't so.

http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2...frame-flexing/

That doesn't prove a thing except that it shows how much stress 40 puts on a polymer frame.

You can call it perceived all you want to. I have fired more than a few 40s and can say that a polymer frame DOES NOT absorb recoil
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I'm strictly a 9mm guy when it comes to handguns, and have always favored full-sized or compacts that bordered on full: Beretta 92, Taurus 92, Steyr M9, etc. I didn't pay much attention to steel, aluminum or polymer frame, and didn't hesitate to shoot +P ammo, but I didn't go out of my way to find +P defensive ammo as long as could find my preferred weight of 124gr. Once I started carrying a single-stack compact with poly frame (Bersa BP9cc) I more consciously steered away from +P, mostly for comfort purposes: a hand injury a while back has left me feeling recoil a lot more in the past.

Well, I recently purchased a Sig P239 with aluminum frame to further improve shooting comfort, hoping that being a bit bigger and heavier than the Bersa - while still a fairly slim single-stack design - will absorb a bit more of that recoil. That got me to thinking that maybe I should revisit +P ammo, maybe even some of the Federal HST 147gr or Hornady Critical Duty 135, but the price of admission is such that I can't afford to test extensively with either.

Has anyone made much of a comparison between the effects of +P in the different types of frames? This is for a compact carry gun, not competition, but less recoil and muzzle flip would be ideal.
1. Feed your gun what it is rated for.

2. Feed your gun with whatever it likes best.

3. Feed your gun with ammo that you shoot best.

4. Aim, hit the target.

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1. Feed your gun what it is rated for.

2. Feed your gun with whatever it likes best.

3. Feed your gun with ammo that you shoot best.

4. Aim, hit the target.

Makes sense to me. Many years back, I made the mistake of using some +P loads in an old alloy frame P.38 Walther. It didn't last long...
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Personally I always use +P for defense (unless the weapon is older or not designed for it).

While muzzle flip may be a tiny issue, in a crisis the recoil will be the least of your worries. You won't even notice it! You want every shot that actually hits to be as devastating as possible.
And that's why I shoot 10mm! Haha.
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