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Old 12-25-2019, 06:05 PM
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I have a buddy of mine that has decided to retire from the Infantry in the near future. He is also a lifelong hunter.
Thanks to his efforts, he will be walking right into a decent civilian job once he retires / around terminal leave date.

That's the good news. The bad news is that the area of the country he will be headed towards shortly is a shotgun only area for deer hunting.

So...I thought that I would ask a few questions here to inquire about deer hunting with rifled bbl shotguns in specific. My first hand with slug hunting revolves around smoothbore tubes only, and vast majority is with medium bore bottle neck rifle cartridges that put bambi in the dirt at 200 yards and then some.

One slug of interest is the Hornady 12ga 2 3/4 inch SST 300gr FTX. ( Item # 8623)

Hornady states the following info on thier website:

G1 BC = .200. Sectional density = .171

Following numbers come from a 24inch rifled slug test bbl.

Muzzle: 2000fps with 2664 ft lbs of energy.

50 yards : 1816 fps with. 2196 ft lbs of energy.

100 yards : 1641 fps with 1793 ft lbs of energy.

150 yards: 1482 fps with 1463 ft lbs of energy.

200 yards: 1341 fps with 1198 ft lbs of energy at impact.

They also state that this slug is a true blue 200 yard deer slayer. At the same time, they show the slug dropping 6.7 inches at 200 yards with a 150 yard zero. ( Well. ....ok)

Now for some questions: ( Especially for those who are forced to deer hunt with shotguns and have some first hand experience..)

1. How close are the numbers above with your shotgun and these slugs?

2. While the velocity and energy show up nice at 200 yards, is the accuracy there? That is a long way for a fricken slug in the real world, but I don't use shotguns with rifled tubes either.

3. Any other slugs he should be looking at?

4. This shotgun is to be a deer hunter in specific. Nothing else, as he has other tools for every other purpose. All I know at this time is the gun itself will be a bolt action Savage. 24 inch bbl slug gun with optic.
Any suggestions regarding optics that are specific for this shotgun?

5. General impressions concerning terminal effects vs white tail deer at anything over 150 yards via this slug?

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either a 12 or 20 gauge in semi-auto for sure , with Shotgun/Muzzleloader scope and good recoil pad like a limbsaver etc. remington Copper Solid sabot. Shotgun slugs have come a long , long way since we were kids. JMHO and S/FI!
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I think you need to try a box of everything you can find to see what works best in your gun.

I cast a Lyman 540 gr sabot slug for my 20" barreled pistol gripped 870 Express. I think the load is 4 DE in my 2 3/4 cases. I use a screw in choke marked Skeet #2. I put a mid bead in the rib to serve as the rear sight. 3# coffee cans at 90 yards are easy enough. Because they are really cheap to shoot, I do; if they were $3 a pop - not so many would go down range.
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either a 12 or 20 gauge in semi-auto for sure , with Shotgun/Muzzleloader scope and good recoil pad like a limbsaver etc. remington Copper Solid sabot. Shotgun slugs have come a long , long way since we were kids. JMHO and S/FI!
From my understanding.....Remington discontinued the copper solids. ( Midway)

Here is the scope he is looking at for his shotgun.......


https://www.theriflescopestore.com/l...reticle-matte/

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The 1.5 -4 power scopes seem more popular here for shotgun deer hunting.
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My Ithaca shotgun had an optional Deerslayer rifled barrel with proper rifle sights.

I would want a rifled barrel if it was my main deer hunting gun.

I would view rifling as more important than putting a scope on a smooth barrel.

I also would not want a choke on a slug gun.
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In a previous life I had a single shot heavy barreled 12 gauge with a fixed 4 power. It had a 12 gauge bore in a 10 gauge barrel blank. Bought it because there were some areas on Fort Hood that were shotgun only so I would have something to use if I got drawn for one of those areas.

With Foster type slugs 5" at 100 was the best it could do. Feed it a good quality sabot like the Hornady and it would cloverleaf 5 shots at a hundred yards.

Using a smooth bore barrel with a rifled choke tube in a Remington 11-87 the best I could do with Sabot slugs was two inches. Put a cylinder tube and switch to Foster slugs it would do about three inches on a good day. Tried sabots in the cylinder tube once. they were all over the target.

The longest shot with the single shot stepped off right at 170 yards. Put the crosshairs on the top of the back and nicked the bottom of the heart with the three inch high at 100 yard zero. Deer took three steps then dropped.
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My buddy called early this morning with some more info.

He told me that the shotgun for the task at hand will most likely be a Savage 212. ( 22inch rifled bbl )

And yes.....his plan is to try out more than one type of slug once he settles on a shotgun. ( The Hornady FTX load above is not the only slug, but it is one that we were trying to get info over via first hand use)

Optic will be a Leupold VX Freedom. Preferably a 1.5x4x20mm , provided they have them with the shotgun slug reticle.
Excellent optics btw. I have a few and use them on rifles .

The pic below is one of my latest editions. It is the 1.5x4x20mm with AR ballistic reticle currently mounted on a TCR22. ( Also use the same scope with thier pig plex reticle )

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The 1.5 -4 power scopes seem more popular here for shotgun deer hunting.
What type of slugs are popular for deer hunting in your neck of the woods?

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A perfect example of why he is looking for a much more accurate rifled bbl shotgun with optic , and suitable ammunition.....as the above shooting is not close to being consistent enough to put Bambi in the dirt.....although it would stand a good chance of hitting one and never finding it afterwards.

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Those I know who are interested in accuracy out to two hundred yds use sabot slugs in fully rifled slug barrels w/scope.
Hornady SST and Federal power shok.
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...I would want a rifled barrel if it was my main deer hunting gun...
So would I, but I also know that Winchester, Mossburg, and Remington designs and/or designed smooth barrels to accommodate rifled slugs and sabots.

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...I also would not want a choke on a slug gun.
It depends. I remember years ago in a hunter education class, learning that shooting a slug through too tight a choke would blow out the muzzle, but there are in fact shotguns which are designed to shoot a slug with a properly sized choke inserted.

Though I've also found that a full choke will drop a slug about a 1.5 feet at 50 yards.
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rifled slug barrels

https://www.ebay.com/b/Rifled-Slug-B.../bn_7023354271
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Winchester 12 GA 3" 385 Grains Supreme Partition Gold Sabot

https://winchester.com/Products/Ammu...SSP12%22%5D%7D
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Winchester 12 GA 3" 385 Grains Supreme Partition Gold Sabot

https://winchester.com/Products/Ammu...SSP12%22%5D%7D

How does this slug perform vs big white tail?

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I have never seen the terminal performance first hand. Going by reviews, real good.
Here are 115 reviews

https://www.basspro.com/shop/en/winc...lug-shotshells
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I live in a state that has both rifle and shotgun areas. Use to just travel to the rifle area, but that being around a 90 minute drive, now is becoming a bit of a irritation. Most of the time I just use a smoothbore and Foster slugs, sometimes a muzzleloader, and limit my range, just as I do for my bow and crossbow.

The Savage 212 will do the job, but if I were looking for a dedicated deer shotgun for medium range, I would go with the Savage 220, 20 gauge. Lighter gun, lighter ammo, just as deadly within the range limitations of the ammo and a bit less recoil. Around $550 here plus decent optic. Don't need large expensive glass, cuz you're still dealing with a 200 yd limitation. Light transmission and clarity at dusk are more important,
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