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The OP almost entirely ignores Civil War and Frontier cartridges, such as the .44 Henry, .44-40 Winchester, .45 Colt, .45-70 Government, .45-90, etc.
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Regarding the 6.5x55 Swede... Factory ammunition is readily available from all the major ammo manufactures. There are fine new rifles chambered in this caliber from TIKKA and CZ to name a couple.
I have the CZ550 FS in 6.5 swede. Tested with a variety of current production ammo including 6.5 Fed GMM. The most accurate from my rifle was the Wolf Gold ammo (Privi Partizan). I had a 5 shot group that went 3/4 in at 100 yards. This was from a full stock rifle.

Man I love this gun. It is my favorite hunting firearm.

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Good info. I have a 7.7mm Jap. Arisaka my Great Uncle brought back from the Pacific. He sporterized as many GI's did. I'm in the process of restoring it back to original.
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Thaks - good information
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The OP almost entirely ignores Civil War and Frontier cartridges, such as the .44 Henry, .44-40 Winchester, .45 Colt, .45-70 Government, .45-90, etc.
Look again at the thread title. Military rifle calibers, 1888-1945.
One thing I noticed, though - the 30 Carbine was never loaded with corrosive primers by any American military contractor, contrary to the OP.
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I would like to express that not much mention has been made of the 7.5 Swiss and the K-31. Having many other firearms, the K-31 has recently become one of my favorites. Last Xmas, my understanding spouse offered to purchase me a rifle as a gift. I opted for a K-31 from Simpson's. It arrived in excellent condition and is beautifully machined firearm. I picked this firearm on a whim but I am far from disappoitned. It is accurate, fast firing (the straight pull is a joy to operate) and is equivalent to a .308 in ballistics. Quality original Swiss match grade ammo is available at a reasonable price through Sportsman Guide as well as those odd stripper clips(which by the way work extremely well). I'm even thinking of getting a cheaper best up low cost example with a good bore and cutting it down to a "Tanker" version.
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Look again at the thread title. Military rifle calibers, 1888-1945.
One thing I noticed, though - the 30 Carbine was never loaded with corrosive primers by any American military contractor, contrary to the OP.
Some of the Dominican Republic stuff was loaded with corrosive priming, and I suspect some of the other loaders overseas used corrosive primers as well. Corrosive priming in the Carbine is a real pain due to the tappet gas system, which is not easy to break down for cleaning.
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be careful with any M98 rifles 1905 or earlier as Germany was using the 8x57I (.312) 1906 and later should all be the 8x57JS (.323). Also the 30-06 of WW2 was a lower pressure for the M1 Garand.

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Some of the Dominican Republic stuff was loaded with corrosive priming, and I suspect some of the other loaders overseas used corrosive primers as well. Corrosive priming in the Carbine is a real pain due to the tappet gas system, which is not easy to break down for cleaning.
The Cristobal carbine used in the Dominican Republic was a Kiraly delayed blowback, and didn't have a gas system. That's why corrosive priming wasn't an issue with their guns.

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be careful with any M98 rifles 1905 or earlier as Germany was using the 8x57I (.312) 1906 and later should all be the 8x57JS (.323). Also the 30-06 of WW2 was a lower pressure for the M1 Garand.
The early barrels were a problem with the later ammo, true, but most of the German 98s were rebarreled. They are a thrifty folk, the Germans, though they are not anal about it like the French.... Sporting pressures for the .30-06 and military pressures for that round were measured differently, and the real problem with the ammo for the Garand was the rate of powder burn. Slow powders (IMR 4831 and such) had a tendency to bend op rods....
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I just ordered a Mosin Nagant after hearing all of the good things about them; the price was agreeable as well.
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as i clicked i hope to hear about the 6.5 sweede round... great info.. to bad they are soo ******* expensive.. for now i guess i will just look at me german sweedish mauser
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I use a M1891/30 Mosin-Nagant, chambered in the 7.62x54r ammo. It is a very inexpensive rifle ($90) that fires very inexpensive ammo ($0.30/ea). It comes apart without tools (bayonet can be used as screwdriver, 3 screws total). I think its an excelent gun.

You may have forgoten, one bullet, the 7.62x39. Though it hardly constitutes a rifle bullet, it was used in the sks, which can be a semi-automatic solution to your budget defense needs. (i am considering one myself, seem to go for $200-$250). Ammo is cheaper than dirt.
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On the 8mm mauser the german army was the first to adopt special ammunition for there snipers and that ammo was pushing a 198-200 grain bullet I forget which but i think they were 198 grains
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7.9X57 Mauser (1905): Also known as the 8mm Mauser this is a great sporting cartridge on the same level as the 30-06. Old Model 1888 8mm Mausers have a smaller bore diameter (.312) compared to the 'new' M-1898
8mm Mausers (.323) do not fire the larger bullets through the M-1888s! The basic military loading is a 154 grn bullet @ 2880MV & 2835ME. Recoil is the same as a 30-06. This caliber will handle any game a 30-06 will with the proper load. Surplus rifles and ammo are still available, quality varies greatly.
Thanks for your work Kenno. I would like to add the following.

The Original 1888's were actually not Mausers at all but, a rifle designed by a military commission. Hence the "Commission Rifle 1888" moniker.

Also, the original diameter of the bullet was .318 ("J" bore) not .312. Some were modified to shoot "S" ammunition (.323 diameter) by lengthening the throat of the chamber to allow the larger projectile to "draw" down to the diameter of the bore gradually. This was a stop gap measure until the Model 1898 Mausers were completely fielded although, many soldiered on in WWI in the hands of reserve units and the Turkish army. 1888 rifles re-barreled by the Turkish military should have the .323 bore.

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i have a mosin nagant old russian rifle i love it with all my heart my first rifle
I have the same rifle and I thank it is one of my best.
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I use a M1891/30 Mosin-Nagant, chambered in the 7.62x54r ammo. It is a very inexpensive rifle ($90) that fires very inexpensive ammo ($0.30/ea). It comes apart without tools (bayonet can be used as screwdriver, 3 screws total). I think its an excelent gun.

You may have forgoten, one bullet, the 7.62x39. Though it hardly constitutes a rifle bullet, it was used in the sks, which can be a semi-automatic solution to your budget defense needs. (i am considering one myself, seem to go for $200-$250). Ammo is cheaper than dirt.
I have the M1891/30 also have the SKS.Both are fine guns.I can find nothing wrong with them.
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you are confusing the 276 pedersen, with the 276 enfield. The Enfield was roughly 7mm Mag in power and was to be used in the Pattern3/P14. The 276 Pedersen originally envisioned for the Garand was supposed to be a lower powered ie.140grains/2400fps or thereabouts, it was physically smaller, and would have had a 10 rd magazine/clip arrangement. The change to the 30-06 also necessitated a reduction in bullet weight back to 150grs ala .30 ball M2, negating the cost savings envisioned by Macarthur, and actually costing more during WW2
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/.276_Pedersen
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/.276_Enfield
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