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Old 12-02-2019, 10:10 AM
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According to the new DSM-5 manual, Transgender people, who have surgically altered their bodies to present as the opposite sex, aren't mentally ill.
https://tgmentalhealth.com/tag/dsm-5/

The American Academy of Pediatrics (AAP) supports transitioning teens and giving puberty blockers to prepubescent children to assist in future transgender surgery. https://assets2.hrc.org/files/docume...nsChildren.pdf

Suicide rates in the US are the highest they've been since WWII and are continuing to increase. https://time.com/5609124/us-suicide-rate-increase/

75 percent of men and 67 percent of women are overweight or obese. This is up from 63 percent of men and 55 percent of women who were overweight in the early 90s. https://www.cbsnews.com/news/obesity...-wake-up-call/

When asked “How many close friends do you have that you can turn to in a crisis?” The most common answer in the past used to be five. Today, the most common answer is “none.” Half of Americans also say that nobody really knows them well: https://articles.mercola.com/sites/a...-epidemic.aspx

What is going on with modern psychology? Are they just terrible at their jobs?

What kind of 'science' are they practicing?

Material scientists have produced scratch-proof glass that gets better and more durable every year.

Computer scientists have created amazing AIs that can recognize faces and solve original problems that the humans themselves can't solve.

Botanists are creating unique new plants and agricultural methods that allow us to grow food in smaller and more efficient places.

Geneticists are changing the DNA of living organisms and curing heritable diseases in the unborn.

Psychologists are. . . what? Telling boys they can be girls? What good have psychologists done recently? How are they improving society? Are they even really scientists?

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Old 12-02-2019, 10:24 AM
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Not all Psychologists buy into the new DSM changes (not did they last time when gays were changed). like anything else, it's been co-opted by progressives. most practicing psychologists have no say in what the DSM publishes and don't buy into everything it says.

Psychologists study behavior. they are not psychiatrists, they are not therapists.
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i think they self indulge in there own pysc drugs.would not trust any one of them ever.
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Reminds me of the old saying, "once you label me, you negate me."
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Psychology is at best a pseudo-science...
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Psychologists study behavior. they are not psychiatrists, they are not therapists.
So how are psychiatrists and therapists doing?

I can say with certainty that, on average, surgeons in the US are performing better and have a higher success rate than they did 50 years ago. Same for anesthetizations and pretty much any other branch of medicine.

Of course it would be harder to prove 'success' on something as ethereal as the attitude of your patient. But are they strengthening marriages, reducing suicide or ending drug dependence nowadays better than in the past?

Psychologists don't just study behavior, they also offer advice to journalists and politicians. Advice on which we base court decisions and public policy. Psychologists like Kenneth Zucker write the guidelines on how psychiatrists, therapists and doctors are supposed to treat people.
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I've noticed over the course of many years the Psych is a very popular major.
I believe this is so because there are no wrong answers.
Professionals on the other hand, follow the money and the liberal politics that it comes from.
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Jordan Peterson makes a lot of sense and backs his claims up with proper citations.

I'd put very little credence into those who defend multiple new genders. Words and facts matter, we can always paint "Horse" on the side of a cow, but the animal remains a cow and cannot perform horse type tasks.

Let's make this simple: A gender-bender surgeon can provide 2 choices. Male or Female.
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When I worked in disability I found many psychologists who would do what they were paid to do. I the claimant wanted disability they would verify disability. The liberals in the bay area were the worst. They would label a drug addicts as bipolar. would order testing with a veracity test. Soon the legal profession complained so much on the veracity testing that we were not allowed to order it. Remember that psychologists are psychiatrists who couldn't make the grade
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well, given the trend of universities to favor and promote students of an ideology, and attempt to cut the achilles of anyone outside of their narrow world view.. youre going to start seeing a LOT of bad people at their jobs holding college diplomas.. psychologists, doctors, you name it.. not because they were the best of their classes, but because the socialists have removed their competition
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SNAKE OIL salesmen, Pill pushers, Why do people think that these scam artist {OPINION} is worth $, everyone has an opinion, JMO.
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So how are psychiatrists and therapists doing?

I can say with certainty that, on average, surgeons in the US are performing better and have a higher success rate than they did 50 years ago. Same for anesthetizations and pretty much any other branch of medicine.

Of course it would be harder to prove 'success' on something as ethereal as the attitude of your patient. But are they strengthening marriages, reducing suicide or ending drug dependence nowadays better than in the past?

Psychologists don't just study behavior, they also offer advice to journalists and politicians. Advice on which we base court decisions and public policy. Psychologists like Kenneth Zucker write the guidelines on how psychiatrists, therapists and doctors are supposed to treat people.
True, but you can show success, and indeed it is widely studied. Either children with learning disabilities or emotional impairment grow up to be healthy functioning adults, or they don't. "attitude" of the patient has nothing to do with it. when diagnosed they are studied and tracked. graduation rates, employment rates, prison/arrest rates are all known.

most people (on here included) continue to confuse the Behavioral Science of Psychology with Psychiatry which is a medical science. two completely different fields and approaches.
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psych students are told "their is no money in psychology" and they take out a loan to get a degree. what more do you need to know?
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It seems when it comes to Psychology/Psychiatry it's split along religious lines. IF you are a fundamentalist it's all BS and anyone who displays any tendencies you or your church deem unholy are possessed and no science will help them. They just need the fear of God beat into them and if they die in the process - gods will, amen.
I'm just relieved they stopped burning epileptics at the stake.
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So how are psychiatrists and therapists doing?

I can say with certainty that, on average, surgeons in the US are performing better and have a higher success rate than they did 50 years ago. Same for anesthetizations and pretty much any other branch of medicine.

Of course it would be harder to prove 'success' on something as ethereal as the attitude of your patient. But are they strengthening marriages, reducing suicide or ending drug dependence nowadays better than in the past?

Psychologists don't just study behavior, they also offer advice to journalists and politicians. Advice on which we base court decisions and public policy. Psychologists like Kenneth Zucker write the guidelines on how psychiatrists, therapists and doctors are supposed to treat people.
What wally said. As I understand it you can go to two different psychiatrists with the same symptoms and 70% of the time come up with a different diagnosis.
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While most psychologist leave a bad taste, there was one who had an office in Visalia and specialized in Veterans. He brought a lot back to reality. He was worth his weight in gold. Unfortunately I can't think of another one who was decent. The one in visalia had been an officer in the army. Cancer took him a few years ago
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I was taken to one psych after another, years of counseling NO ONE SAW I WAS BIPOLAR. i HAD SUCH CLEAR SYMPTOMS.

Even after I left my parent's house I went to counseling on 2 other occasions because that was the answer, right? WRONG. No one saw it.

So I tend to think they are all pretty worthless. That has been my experience.

My favorite was probably the marriage counselor. I took my husband because he's a verbally abusive alcoholic who cheated a lot in the past and LOVED to throw it in my face at every opportunity.

So I took him to this guy thinking he could get some sense into my husband. He did help with teaching about personal space. My husband had no real clue on that 'till that point.

But I would go in "He got really drunk and was verbally abusive and brought up Anna again".

"Oh, I got really wasted this weekend too! Did you have a good time? What were you drinking?"

W
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I finally realized I was paying the man to be a drinking buddy. So we fired him. WORTHLESS.

And he had a real opportunity to reach my husband about the drinking... but endorsing it like he did made my husband completely unreachable, because "Steve said it was fine"

In fact, Steve went off on me one day when I described my husband's drinking behavior as "evil".

SO FRUSTRATING.

Now, I went to a psychiatrist, I said I was diagnosed manic at the hospital and rapid cycling bipolar. OK, he says. Do you ever get delusions or hallucinate? Yes? OK and he wrote some prescriptions.

DONE. That fast.
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According to the new DSM-5 manual, Transgender people, who have surgically altered their bodies to present as the opposite sex, aren't mentally ill.
https://tgmentalhealth.com/tag/dsm-5/

The American Academy of Pediatrics (AAP) supports transitioning teens and giving puberty blockers to prepubescent children to assist in future transgender surgery. https://assets2.hrc.org/files/docume...nsChildren.pdf

Suicide rates in the US are the highest they've been since WWII and are continuing to increase. https://time.com/5609124/us-suicide-rate-increase/

75 percent of men and 67 percent of women are overweight or obese. This is up from 63 percent of men and 55 percent of women who were overweight in the early 90s. https://www.cbsnews.com/news/obesity...-wake-up-call/

When asked “How many close friends do you have that you can turn to in a crisis?” The most common answer in the past used to be five. Today, the most common answer is “none.” Half of Americans also say that nobody really knows them well: https://articles.mercola.com/sites/a...-epidemic.aspx

What is going on with modern psychology? Are they just terrible at their jobs?

What kind of 'science' are they practicing?

Material scientists have produced scratch-proof glass that gets better and more durable every year.

Computer scientists have created amazing AIs that can recognize faces and solve original problems that the humans themselves can't solve.

Botanists are creating unique new plants and agricultural methods that allow us to grow food in smaller and more efficient places.

Geneticists are changing the DNA of living organisms and curing heritable diseases in the unborn.

Psychologists are. . . what? Telling boys they can be girls? What good have psychologists done recently? How are they improving society? Are they even really scientists?

Yup ... the inmates/patients are running the asylum. If these mentally deficient "professionals" went to a modern day University then chances are that they have become the problem rather than the solution.
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I look at it this way.

Psychiatrists are medical doctors, and by extension trained scientists familiar with the scientific method and collecting observable data points that statistical metrics are derived from. Psychologists couldn't pass biology and chemistry and are justifying their existence by getting their own kind to rubber stamp their own BS.

I wouldn't pee on a psychologist if they were on fire. I basically reject their nonsense out of hand. I will give the trained scientist his due, and listen to what a psychiatrist has to say before making my mind up about the matter
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Anytime I saw a resume with a Psychology degree it went immediately into the shredder.

Useless.
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