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Old 12-04-2019, 08:59 PM
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Doubtless there will be some serious spin made of this by the anti-vax crowd. Claims of austism cases in the hundreds, etc. Or even that the deaths were actually caused by the vaccine itself, secretly administered perhaps.

Good find, sir.

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UNICEF and the WHO launched measles and rubella vaccination campaigns across many Pacific islands mid October. Now they have measles outbreaks on these islands? Interesting
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UNICEF and the WHO launched measles and rubella vaccination campaigns across many Pacific islands mid October. Now they have measles outbreaks on these islands? Interesting
So...you didnít read the article.

Problem was, the campaigns were made ineffective because asshats on social media were talking bogus crap and baking BS claims about the shots, and scared ignorant people into not taking advantage of the medicine available.

Anti vaxers just killed a bunch of kids.

Thatís not interesting. Thatís tragic, bordering on criminal.
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The NZ anti-vaccers have blood on their hands. Spread from the Auckland out break.
60 dead. 1/2 under 4.
Lack of vaccination partially due to anti-vacc mentality - even on a almost third world pacific island. Complicated also by the deaths of two children 2 years ago there when the vaccine was reconstituted with a muscle relaxant and not sterile water. This has profoundly impacted the vaccine rates in Samoa. But this outbreak was imported from NZ sadly and the Auckland outbreak was due to poor vaccination rates,
My SO is currently there with an aid agency. It is hideous.
Likely the death toll will exceed 150 and majority kids. This is a preventable disease.
It also shows how a first world health system performs in comparison to a third world one. Only one death in a Auckland and a couple permanently brain damaged and a couple of respiratory cripples - again kids and teens vs 60 dead so far in Samoa and hundred hospitalised with complications. loss of vision severe gastro and severe respiratory disease most common presenting problems. Measles croup has also been causing major problems in part because it isn’t steroid responsive - in fact steroids can be fatal - so limited treatment options,
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https://www.skepticalraptor.com/skep...m-to-children/

Rather gives lie to the premise that if you live in relative isolation you will be safe from outside infectious diseases.

As far as the claim that the outbreak followed the vaccination push, somebody needs a calendar and a few facts. Start with the genotype of the local outbreak. From the often maligned CDC:

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The following 19 genotypes have been detected since 1990:

A*, B2, B3, C1, C2, D2, D3, D4, D5, D6, D7, D8, D9, D10, D11, G2, G3, H1, H2

*All vaccine strains (e.g. Moraten, Edmonston-Zagreb) are genotype A.
Source: https://www.cdc.gov/measles/lab-tool...-analysis.html

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I'm waiting for the stats on how many of the children who came down with measles had received the vaccination.
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I'm waiting for the stats on how many of the children who came down with measles had received the vaccination.
I would venture to guess ZERO
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Interesting article in the washington post extrapolating the infection numbers in Samoa to the US. Would be 7 million infected at this point.
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I'm waiting for the stats on how many of the children who came down with measles had received the vaccination.
89% of their population have received the vaccine as of last week, with another 100 cases reported yesterday.

They are hanging red flags on homes of people who arenít vaccinated and forcing them to get it.

I was told by a geneticist that the vaccine could severely harm my children due to their genetics and to not get them this or any live vaccine. So, I did my research and read every unbiased article I could/can find. Every single article about this outbreak is biased against people who choose not to vaccinate. The man arrested wasnít spreading anything but vitamin A which has been shown to be most effective in helping those infected with measles.

My heart aches for those who have lost children, I cannot imagine that pain, but I will not sacrifice my children for a vaccine that works half the time and requires boosters every couple of years.
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I haven't seen a case yet of measles "outbreak" where some, even most, of the patients weren't contaminated by the vaccine. Trying to get this information is always the hardest part of looking for the truth as it's deep buried by the $$$$$$$ whores.
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The man arrested wasnít spreading anything but vitamin A which has been shown to be most effective in helping those infected with measles.

I hadn't heard about this man but if he was doing what you stated then he should've been given an award for it vs being arrested.
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How much does Soros pay you to troll the forums anyhow?

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I think we can have a normal discussion without getting nasty, don't you?

But if you must know George Soros believes in (actually loves) vaccinations, after all, he was a Nazi sympathizer in WWII. He's also a staunch eugenicist promoting GMO foods to pair with the vaccines.
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I think we can have a normal discussion without getting nasty, don't you?

But if you must know George Soros believes in (actually loves) vaccinations, after all, he was a Nazi sympathizer in WWII. He's also a staunch eugenicist promoting GMO foods to pair with the vaccines.
No, you and your posts are discussing Either accept the criticism that you justly receive and keep quiet or move on. Look at the members who are criticizing you, They are well respect members of this forum. I don't see you in that group
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No, you and your posts are discussing Either accept the criticism that you justly receive and keep quiet or move on. Look at the members who are criticizing you, They are well respect members of this forum. I don't see you in that group



Asking if I get paid by Soros is a criticism?

And where's the list of "well respected members" at?
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Back on subject....


Since the WHO (and many other medical organizations/manufacturers/government agencies) tell us that measles immunization rates must be at 95% of the population to be effective for both herd immunity and to stave off the spread during an outbreak, then are 95% of all Samoans being administered the measles vaccine or just the children?
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. I was told by a geneticist that the vaccine could severely harm my children due to their genetics and to not get them this or any live vaccine. ....... but I will not sacrifice my children for a vaccine that works half the time and requires boosters every couple of years.
You shouldnít have to sacrifice your kid, thatís a crazy idea.

But hereís the thing...if every other kid out there that isnít going to be hurt by the vaccine doesnít get vaccinated, your kid could be killed by any outbreak in your area, or could be patient zero in one.

Not meaning ANYTHING negative about you.

What Iím saying is, you should be in favor of the rest of us vaccinating, specifically because it protects your family.

And Iím sure you know this, but Iíd be VERY careful about friends, school, etc.
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Vitamin A alone is pointless - and that is the issue - don’t vaccinate but ‘take vitamin A because it will cure you’.

Vitamin A helps the eye problems seen in measles - but it has no established role beyond that the best of my knowledge.
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You shouldnít have to sacrifice your kid, thatís a crazy idea.

But hereís the thing...if every other kid out there that isnít going to be hurt by the vaccine doesnít get vaccinated, your kid could be killed by any outbreak in your area, or could be patient zero in one.

Not meaning ANYTHING negative about you.

What Iím saying is, you should be in favor of the rest of us vaccinating, specifically because it protects your family.

And Iím sure you know this, but Iíd be VERY careful about friends, school, etc.
In the first world, death by measles is more rare than a lightning strike. I have no fear of my kids getting measles and if someone in my area had it, I would load up all my kids and have a play date. Natural immunity is vastly different and better than passive immunity that wanes over time.
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