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Old 04-06-2020, 09:28 AM
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Back in January I saw articles claiming that Han Chinese are more susceptible to getting the virus and to dying from it because of the increased number of ACE2 receptors in their lungs which apparently SARS based viruses target and spread on.

It seems to make sense: https://www.biorxiv.org/content/10.1....919985v1.full

But that was months ago and I've been trying to confirm or deny it ever since with very little luck.

I've searched, absolutely! But nobody wants to even discuss it.
Articles that claim to break down the risk factors by 'demographics' completely ignore race as a demographic:
Who is getting sick, and how sick? A breakdown of coronavirus risk by demographic factors

Then there are the liars and deceivers. With headlines like:
Kill the Myth, anyone can get COVID-19
A Message from the experts: COVID-19 Doesn't descriminate

They claim to debunk myths. But the only myth they debunk is the absolutely retarded idea that melanin protects you from the virus. (Who thought that anyway?)

Maybe my search engine skills aren't what they used to be, but it seems to me like we're simply not keeping track, publicly at least, of the racial makeup of the infected or dying.

Last week Elizabeth Warren and some other Senators and Congressmen sent a letter to the HHS, urging them to better track and communicate the demographic factors involved in this pandemic.

They came at it from a social justice angle, of course, but the question remains. Why aren't we ALREADY tracking and analyzing this data? I've been curious about it for months now and the first bit of racial data we've got to date on this virus has come from Milwaukee, who is apparently the only state that's actually tracking this information:

"As of Friday morning, African Americans made up almost half of Milwaukee Countyís 945 cases and 81% of its 27 deaths in a county whose population is 26% black. Milwaukee is one of the few places in the United States that is tracking the racial breakdown of people who have been infected by the novel coronavirus, offering a glimpse at the disproportionate destruction it is inflicting on black communities nationwide."
https://www.propublica.org/article/e...-alarming-rate


I don't understand why it's so hard to find this data. I don't understand why we haven't been watching it from the start. I don't understand why people aren't demanding to see this. I don't understand why it took till April to even begin discussing what was clearly an issue worth looking into back in January.
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Perhaps genetics could play a role but since this virus has never been known to show up in humans before maybe it is obscure or not found to be relevant at all . I would think cultural and community social behaviours are more of a factor with levels of transmission and the amount of exposure people are getting affecting statistics .
We also have not had any revelation why it does not impact youth and yet there must be a factor there , someone must have an good idea why not .
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Well, if it is jumping to all these different species (cats, dogs, pangolins, bats, Tigers), I would assume it can jump between the races.

Given the massive death rate in Italy, I assume the race that calls Italy home is not immune.

The ACE theory was interesting, but apparently not does not play much role in who gets the bug, or the severity of the cases.

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Back in January I saw articles claiming that Han Chinese are more susceptible............... SNIP.................

I don't understand why it's so hard to find this data. I don't understand why we haven't been watching it from the start. I don't understand why people aren't demanding to see this. I don't understand why it took till April to even begin discussing what was clearly an issue worth looking into back in January.
What is driving this desire to "understand" ?
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The ACE theory was interesting, but apparently not does not play much role in who gets the bug, or the severity of the cases.
Why do you say that?
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Perhaps genetics could play a role but since this virus has never been known to show up in humans before maybe it is obscure or not found to be relevant at all .
How would we know if its relevant if nobody is recording the data analyzing it or reporting on it?

It's entirely possible that Asians are 30% more likely to contract and/or die from the disease. (I just made that number up because nobody is reporting any real numbers for me to go off of.)
If that were the case, wouldn't that be relevant?

Because the elderly know that they are more susceptible, they can take additional actions to protect themselves. This is obvious, and so we are all taking special care not to infect our elderly loved ones.

Wouldn't it also be good to be able to tell young Asians: "Hey, you have the same risk factors as a 60+ year old white guy, you should take this whole sheltering-in-place thing very seriously"
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I've told a couple of my Asian co worker/friends that I think Asians have a higher resistance to Covid 19. Why? China says its recovered, Japan is doing well, SK, Vietnam,HK, etc seem to be doing better than the rest of the world. Yeah its my dumb theory, but it seems these viruses keep coming from the same region. I think there's either a immunity build up or they just know how to react better to it than the world.
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Its a global human species endemic...I dont give sloths nuts what race has to play into it.

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It really does not matter at this point because people are sick and are arriving at hospitals in droves in some places. All indications are that living closely increases likelihood of getting infected. Does that mean apartment dwellers in Milwaukee are just as likely as apartment dwellers in Manhattan ? Maybe? Is that a racial thing? Who knows or has time to care at this moment. Let the statisticians figure it out after the fire is out.

About 10 years ago I had an eye injury (Hyphema) that is bleeding within the eye. I was in the US Virgin Islands at the time and got excellent care from the one ophthalmologist on the island who also happened to be African American (From NYC by the way) and one of his first questions upon seeing me was did I have sickle cell anemia? I am an obvious average middle age white guy. So I was slightly confused, but then realized this disease is not 100% one of blacks, but affects whites, as well and more importantly is a potential complication to my eye injury. So this doctor rightly did not presume by color of my skin that I was not predisposed to this potential complication.
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I'm not sure why it matters. How would that knowledge change how you personally cope with the virus? How would it change how the government copes with the virus?
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The Fall, they don't want the data out but they are tracking it. They will probably find out your more likely to catch it living in the inner city, and having a history of smoking or being obese. The demographics on this are slanted heavily to inner city blacks living near the poverty level. Letting all that info go at the wrong time could lead to riots and more people catching this. While I agree with you from a scientific standpoint, what concerns me is the lack of a good actual # of death rate. What is the actual death rate of this thing? Its completly unknown is what. Some areas might be 10-15% if they get swamped, others 1%. If you get it are you immune afterwards? If that is the case it might be better to catch it at 25 in your prime rather than 65. I do know that if you get put on a vent the odds of surviving are 50/50ish and there is a decent chance you'll have some life long lung damage. Probably a good time to practice holding your breath and get your seconds up. I can hold my breath for 2 minutes as I surf so I might be ok. I personally think this is gods way of saying to the 60's generation globalist population wake up you suck.
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Why? Because the Democrats haven't figured out yet how to spin it to their best advantage. I'm sure it's coming.
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Why? Because the Democrats haven't figured out yet how to spin it to their best advantage. I'm sure it's coming.
While that is without a doubt correct, I am curious why the OP was/is so fixated on the "why"............
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Why? Because the Democrats haven't figured out yet how to spin it to their best advantage. I'm sure it's coming.
Yeah, thats got too be it... NOT
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Yeah, thats got too be it... NOT
Are you so sure about that?
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Why? Because the Democrats haven't figured out yet how to spin it to their best advantage. I'm sure it's coming.
Only after a member of the Trump administration discusses the differences in mortality among the different races will the Democrats figure out how to spin it as a "racist" statement. Until then, they can't cry discrimination.

Then, if the virus is found to infect a certain ethnicity more than others, it will be decided the virus is Trump's fault.
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Back in January I saw articles claiming that Han Chinese are more susceptible to getting the virus and to dying from it because of the increased number of ACE2 receptors in their lungs which apparently SARS based viruses target and spread on.

It seems to make sense: https://www.biorxiv.org/content/10.1....919985v1.full

But that was months ago and I've been trying to confirm or deny it ever since with very little luck.

I've searched, absolutely! But nobody wants to even discuss it.
Articles that claim to break down the risk factors by 'demographics' completely ignore race as a demographic:
Who is getting sick, and how sick? A breakdown of coronavirus risk by demographic factors

Then there are the liars and deceivers. With headlines like:
Kill the Myth, anyone can get COVID-19
A Message from the experts: COVID-19 Doesn't descriminate

They claim to debunk myths. But the only myth they debunk is the absolutely retarded idea that melanin protects you from the virus. (Who thought that anyway?)

Maybe my search engine skills aren't what they used to be, but it seems to me like we're simply not keeping track, publicly at least, of the racial makeup of the infected or dying.

Last week Elizabeth Warren and some other Senators and Congressmen sent a letter to the HHS, urging them to better track and communicate the demographic factors involved in this pandemic.

They came at it from a social justice angle, of course, but the question remains. Why aren't we ALREADY tracking and analyzing this data? I've been curious about it for months now and the first bit of racial data we've got to date on this virus has come from Milwaukee, who is apparently the only state that's actually tracking this information:

"As of Friday morning, African Americans made up almost half of Milwaukee Countyís 945 cases and 81% of its 27 deaths in a county whose population is 26% black. Milwaukee is one of the few places in the United States that is tracking the racial breakdown of people who have been infected by the novel coronavirus, offering a glimpse at the disproportionate destruction it is inflicting on black communities nationwide."
https://www.propublica.org/article/e...-alarming-rate


I don't understand why it's so hard to find this data. I don't understand why we haven't been watching it from the start. I don't understand why people aren't demanding to see this. I don't understand why it took till April to even begin discussing what was clearly an issue worth looking into back in January.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...ronavirus.html
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Why do you say that?
Because if the virus can jump to a bunch of completely different animals, why would you think the subtle differences in DNA between races would give it any difficulty?

If Evil Knievel can jump the grand canyon, I would not question his ability to jump over a sidewalk crack.
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