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Whether your primary plan is to bug in or bug out, if you have to move by vehicle or vehicles, plan and practice these proceedures while fuel prices are low.

You can modify these proceedures for specific requirements as these are the basics.

A convoy can only travel as fast as the slowest vehicle, road and weather conditions.

I would also use inter vehicle communications such as radios.

Use your own designators for way points, rest stops, resupp points and not the public ones on commercial road maps.
If you are using CB radios, don't advertise your convoy plans on open radio channels by using public designators.

http://www.flmvpa.org/convoy.htm

As I said these are the basics, it does take a lot of practice, your decision.
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My experiences, both military and civilian had some things in common.
It is very fatuiging for drivers and navigators, changing drivers and navigators are essential.

As a group of survivalists, we have practised convey proceedures in all types of local weather conditions, different road conditions and with heavy loads both in the vehicles and trailers.

Drivers need to be experienced with heavy loads both in the vehicle and towing.
Loads need to packed properly both for safe weight distribution and easy access to items that maybe needed on the road including FAKs.

While we know the fuel consumption of our vehicles under normal driving conditions, fuel consumption will increase due to heavy loads, lower speeds, road and weather conditions, and detours that may have to be made that maybe necessary from your preplanned route maps.

This has to be factored in to your convey plan including different fuels that vehicles may use.

Driving at night presents its own problems which I will cover in a later post.
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If the situation requires you to bug in or bug out, then you know you are about to use a critical component of your survival preps and planning.

Whether you decide to bug in or bug out, suggest prepping for moving by vehicle as an option if your situation becomes untenable at your BOL or bug in.

This is a link on how the average citizen reacts to a situation when people panic in a situation to get out of town.

http://www.survivaldigest.com/cat/good/retreat/

The top 100 items that disappear from supermarkets in times of disaster.

http://www.survivaldigest.com/cat/tips-and-checklists/

Planning starts at home, substitute the reason in this article for natural distaster and civil unrest.
It is one thing to verbalise it, it is another to put into practice.
These are the basics, but can be modified for your situation.

http://www.safety.com/articles/survi...s-at-home.html

http://209.85.173.132/search?q=cache...nk&cd=10&gl=au

And finally this is a link to a fictional story which I have posted on this forum before.
It is a good example of what happens when poor planning goes horribly wrong, and perhaps is a summary of the information on this post.

http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=172494

Each survivalist will have to make their own plans relative to their situation and goals.
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Thank you! Your post addresses an issue that is often overlooked.
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Nothing that drives me nuts more than vehicles with crappy or no ridgid points for towing.Make sure any vehicle in the convoy has either decent hooks front and rear,or even chain or cable already attached to the frame.
It also helps to school everybody on the method of towing,ie; I tow you,you stop me. Its amazing how many people have never towed or been towed with a rope or cable,and understand how to do it without jerking or ass-ending the tow vehicle.
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I've been running patrols lately, and I have to say. A month of this and Ill know every way in and out of Houston in an emergency
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Convoy rules after SHTF

1) Plan on driving over curbs, on sidewalks, on the right-of-way beside the road, over the junk people will abandon along the right-of-way beside the road. Because the roads are going to be jammed with wrecks, cars that are out of gas, cars that have been abandoned, and perhaps deliberate impromptu roadblocks.

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2) Be prepared for drivers to freak out due to the end of the world and be a lot more useless than they'd normally be.

Make sure everyone has experience changing a tire in the dark and preferrably in the rain and/or cold since you don't know who is going to be in good shape. Same for siphoning gas, jump starting, and other basic car problems.

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3) Plan out in advance what each vehicle should be able to hold. You're likely to be forced to abandon a vehicle so put some thought in advance into what you might choose to rescue/leave.

4) Have a pecan in every car to minimize stops. Better to have a canopy than to slow down.
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Nothing that drives me nuts more than vehicles with crappy or no ridgid points for towing.Make sure any vehicle in the convoy has either decent hooks front and rear,or even chain or cable already attached to the frame.
It also helps to school everybody on the method of towing,ie; I tow you,you stop me. Its amazing how many people have never towed or been towed with a rope or cable,and understand how to do it without jerking or ass-ending the tow vehicle.

So true, it takes a lot of practice, get to feel the tow vehicle and load, how it reacts in all conditions, practise reversing and turning around in very tight hazadous conditions.
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Convoy rules after SHTF

1) Plan on driving over curbs, on sidewalks, on the right-of-way beside the road, over the junk people will abandon along the right-of-way beside the road. Because the roads are going to be jammed with wrecks, cars that are out of gas, cars that have been abandoned, and perhaps deliberate impromptu roadblocks.

Run-flat tires
fix-a-flat
air pump that fits into a cigarette lighter



2) Be prepared for drivers to freak out due to the end of the world and be a lot more useless than they'd normally be.

Make sure everyone has experience changing a tire in the dark and preferrably in the rain and/or cold since you don't know who is going to be in good shape. Same for siphoning gas, jump starting, and other basic car problems.

jack and spares
siphoning equipment for every car
jumper cables
spare wiper inserts
ice scraper

3) Plan out in advance what each vehicle should be able to hold. You're likely to be forced to abandon a vehicle so put some thought in advance into what you might choose to rescue/leave.

4) Have a pecan in every car to minimize stops. Better to have a canopy than to slow down.

Very good points, and practice it.
Low light or no light conditions in all weather conditions, low noise discipline is also essential.

Panic is the biggest threat on the roads from within your convoy and, other drivers on the road.

Practise proceedures and drills in the event the convey has to stop (scheduled or not), a defensive perimeter, a seating plan and allocation of all people in each vehicle, make sure all are accounted for before moving on, leave nobody behind.

Route maps, indentify possible choke points such as bridges, road cuttings, narrow bends and similar for natural and manmade obstacles.

Approach these with caution, scope it out before driving the whole convey into it.

Provide as much practical experience as you can for drivers and navigators, along your chosen route, these will have to be rotated due to fatigue.

Preps, don't put critical preps all in one vehicle eg spare fuel etc.
If this vehicle is involved in a serious incident, critical convoy preps will be lost.
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did security work in Afghanistan[private contractor]--convoy rule speed is the key & don't stop--do battle drills-- in case of break downs--360 security --fix or leave --practice tire changes/ off loading until you can do it with your eyes closed --then do it more --up load tow straps &practice that--route planing important
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Don't ride in the front or rear vehicles.....
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Are there going to be SSB, or CB channel prefrences? I'm suprized that no one has mentioned a "meetingplace" frequency. Since this is a public forum, I'm not sure I should bring this up.
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How about 7.185 lsb day, and 3.815 lsb at night
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Make sure EVERYBODY knows exactly where they are supposed to go, and make sure they all have personally been there before. Worst case, put at least one person that knows the route like the back of their hand in each vehicle.

I know this is obvious, but the reason why I'm saying it is that in the event of an emergency, there are going to be many, many vehicles on the road and it is quite possible that the "convoy" gets separated. Heavy traffic has a tendency to do that.

If any one driver is relying on maintaining visual contact in order to reach the destination, there is a very high probability that the vehicle, its occupants, and everything in it may become lost for good.

Look, I know this is common sense. But, if the world is ending and the Sh** has really gone everywhere, then it is entirely possible that someone may end up driving that wasn't exactly part of the original plan. Let’s say your neighbor is part of the convoy...and the world goes to hell when everyone is at work. He (or she) never makes it home, and at some point you've got to cut your losses and leave. At the same time, the neighbor across the street, who laughed at you when you mentioned getting ready, is the only one to make it back. It might be worth including them if it means a truck, full tank of gas and a driver. "Just follow me" might not work.

Anyways, it is something to consider. I'm not sure what an effective countermeasure to a shattered group really is. Maybe the best bet is to simply travel with fewer vehicles than originally planned or split up the remnants of one's group into smaller vehicle crews than would be optimal. The obvious downside to reduced crews, maybe just one to two per vehicle, is that there literally isn’t someone riding shotgun. The vehicle can’t really defend itself. If you get separated, the “escort” is ineffective.

Either way, the chances of some members of a group failing to meet at the initial rendezvous point are high enough to take into consideration, and plans should be made for a convoy setting out without everyone aboard.
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A quick and dirty tip from days gone by. Paint the rear differential (axle third member) on each vehicle white. In reduced/low visibility with dimmed lights you are still able to see the axle of the vehicle in front of you .... especially since you will not want to be using much in the way of lights .....

It worked during WW2 in black out situations
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Nothing that drives me nuts more than vehicles with crappy or no ridgid points for towing.Make sure any vehicle in the convoy has either decent hooks front and rear,or even chain or cable already attached to the frame.
It also helps to school everybody on the method of towing,ie; I tow you,you stop me. Its amazing how many people have never towed or been towed with a rope or cable,and understand how to do it without jerking or ass-ending the tow vehicle.
I carry one of these in my pickup. The 'T' option will hook into the same frame hole as the chains that hold down the auto while transporting on semi trailers. Those holes are on all four corners of all American made cars, and I am comfortable using them for recovery.

The other hooks will catch on various parts of the undercarriage/suspension, but my experience is doing so will bust something. I usually have whoever I'm pulling out of the ditch hook up their own end in that situation.
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Many years ago, I was stationed aboard a "ship" that had a tendancy to break down, alot, and in a port that was usually miles from our home port. One such incident caused us to have to be drydocked in some God-forsaken place called Denton Shipyard in Wando, S.C. (Insert swap and jungle BFE picture here).

We were there for many months and our homeport was in Panama City, FL. Many of us were married and we pooled together a "Cannonball Run" type of operation to get to our homes over the weekends we didnt have duty. We utilized codes over CB and UHF freqs. (Trooper being "Vampire" code for inbound missile IE. "Vampire-227" would mean Trooper at milemark 227) and other such crew specific terms. We would have a lead vehicle run point about 2-3 miles ahead of the pack of 10-12 cars, all doing around 80 mph. The point position would rotate every 40-50 miles, drop back to the rear, and the next car in line assume duities. That way everyone was "exposed" for some portion of the trip and no-one could hang back and just skate. All vehicles had radar detectors (this was all in the mid 80's) and every driver had to have a good pair of binoculars, radios and set of trained eyes to use them to be included in the operation.

We ran the I-10/ I-95 corridor for six months (Friday nights and Sunday nights) every weekend resulting in no tickets. Of course, safety was paramount and we did utilized underway replenishment techniques (one of my deck hands actually rigged a car to car replinishment rig, lol) and a few of the drivers were master helmsmen during unreps between ships. We learned alot about where enforcement areas were, no one was hurt and we did it in a military style that kept us sharp. Gatoraid bottles, a carton of smokes and food was the responsibility of each driver, in order to provide a minimum of stopping and keepin the operation rolling... It was very good training on maintaining "station" and working around slower vehicles in a group formation.

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Our local group has allocated hourly rotating primary and alternate call channels on DX LSB 11 meter band, 2 metre band (VHF), and the 70 cm band (UHF).

The convoy comms net is controlled by a designated Convoy Comms Controller (CCC), who may have to communicate with another convoy or Base station, as well as maintain comms discipline and security.

Not all vehicles have the DX capability, but they do have the VHF and UHF capability via 5 watt hand held radios, tested and proved with a 5 vehicle convoy, over the last 18 months.

The VHF and UHF equipment has been programmed for CB, but also other freq's not on the CB bands, which is used for the inter vehicle comms net.
This reduces the possibility of intercept on the normal CB bands.

We do have location designators for rally or RV points, the rotating call channels are used to check status of vehicle/foot movement and the RV.

Not relying on applicable repeaters as these are single channel which will probably be choked with traffic and , some are on the power grid which may fail.

We also have athentication tables, in case someone tries to hijack the convoy comms net.

We also have scanners to recieve/check any chatter on our bands that may forewarn us of any probs along our route.
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A quick and dirty tip from days gone by. Paint the rear differential (axle third member) on each vehicle white. In reduced/low visibility with dimmed lights you are still able to see the axle of the vehicle in front of you .... especially since you will not want to be using much in the way of lights .....

It worked during WW2 in black out situations"

Our military vehicles use the same system with the white painted diff and a low intensity light mounted under the vehicle to light it/shine on it.

It gives the following vehicle driver the ability to see the rear end and, also helps with visual depth perception in low light conditions.

This a link for a black out light system on vehicles.

http://www.tpub.com/content/construc...s/14273_78.htm

It uses military style fittings, but these can be improvised with led lighting systems.
I have found some information on covering existing external light fittings with some sort of slitted cover.
However have decided to fit and wire a completely independant black out light system, giving the option of using one or the other, at the flick of a couple of switches if the situation requires it.

Interior lights will be fitted with a similar system, however vehicle instument lights will have to be fitted with an independant low light system as these normally work with the conventional lighting system.

I am in the process of procuring and testing such a system.

Long story short,
Some years ago, i was at a well known lookout point one night in my area.
It overlooked a busy highway in a valley, the Friday night traffic is very busy as usuall.
I could see it on the highway at a distance of about 5 mile away, not just headlights, but tail lights too.

As for training, it is illegal and dangerous to use public highways and roads, so suggest private roads, property and etc with permission of owners, in as many weather and road variables you can find.
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