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Old 03-20-2020, 02:40 PM
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Am I the only one here that has used a 12 ga at close range?
The story is full of holes. Just like any persons head would be at ten ft.

Maybe they got the range wrong, or maybe the guy missed, but go try shooting something solid at ten ft and tell me you still believe.
Having seen more than one failed suicide attempt with birdshot in the last 24 years, I don't buy into it being as amazing as you think it is. Sure, it makes ugly wounds, but they don't necessarily penetrate deeply. I also know of multiple cases where someone shot at close range killed the person who shot them. They weren't going to win any beauty pageants in the case where he took the round to the face (essentially skinned his face), but he lived, and killed the guy who shot him. Nothing is 100%, and absolutes aren't a thing, regardless of caliber.
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Am I the only one here that has used a 12 ga at close range?
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The story is full of holes. Just like any persons head would be at ten ft.

Maybe they got the range wrong, or maybe the guy missed, but go try shooting something solid at ten ft and tell me you still believe.
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I have investigated a LOT of 12ga shootings using everything from 7 1/2 to slug.
Slug to the back of the head is impressive and a real "stopper"
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This was the article I referenced the story from. The link is dead, but I did not make it up. Perp took 9 rounds of 45. Let’s not discredit the story because of the shotgun range or whatever. That’s not the point of the story. Maybe I don’t remember it all too well.


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When I was fixing cars one of my customers was a photographer for the county coroner. He carried a case in his trunk with some of his work. Which included shotgun wounds. Homicide and suicide. One guy's wife took off about 3/4 of his head with #00 buck up close and personal...
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Am I the only one here that has used a 12 ga at close range?
The story is full of holes. Just like any persons head would be at ten ft.

Maybe they got the range wrong, or maybe the guy missed, but go try shooting something solid at ten ft and tell me you still believe.
I've done that quite a bit.

Light lead birdshot, 7.5's, 8's, and 9's, will typically penetrate less than 5" in gel. It leaves a very ugly wound, and depending on where you hit, it may stop a fight, permanently sometimes, (and I've seen where it did more than once). But on torso hits with an average size human, it may not penetrate deep enough to strike anything important, the person shot may well be angry at you, and be further motivated to do you harm.

Larger bird shot such as 2's or BB's, especially hardened lead shot, will have a much better chance of being effective. Such a load was marketed for home defense a number of years ago, and it wasn't the worst thing you could use at close range. But really, good #4 buck is the minimum threshold for acceptable terminal performance.

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I've used #4 shot for quite a few years now as a general purpose field load out of the 12 gauge 2 3/4" gun. It handles coyote with aplomb, and I'm not too concerned if I have to try it on the two legged coyotes. That said, the up-the-spout round is a Brenneke or Rottweil slug.
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After many years of having little use for the 9mm I have recently found something that I absolutely love about the 9mm fad. Seems that every time I go to the local public ranges I pick up at least 100 pieces of clean once fired 9mm brass. So I now have a full 5 gal bucket full of brass. More than I will use in the rest of my life. So yes, I love the 9mm fad, but I'm wondering what the next one will be? Hopefully something I need brass for.
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After many years of having little use for the 9mm I have recently found something that I absolutely love about the 9mm fad. Seems that every time I go to the local public ranges I pick up at least 100 pieces of clean once fired 9mm brass. So I now have a full 5 gal bucket full of brass. More than I will use in the rest of my life. So yes, I love the 9mm fad, but I'm wondering what the next one will be? Hopefully something I need brass for.
I have a similar love for the 40 cal. Back when I was stockpiling ammo and ammo components (mid 1990s), the local cops, sherrif, and federal cops all carried 40 cal guns, and they practiced at a public range in the desert. I started collecting their once fired 40 cal brass.

I have a Dillon 550b set up for this caliber, and ended up with around 8,000 loaded rounds. I gave away another 4,000 cases, and I still have 12,000 empty cases. I dont even worry about finding my fired brass anymore.

My advise is to keep collecting empty pistol brass (all calibers) until you fill a 55 gal drum.
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And then there is the guy who killed a grizzly with a 9mm...

https://www.wideopenspaces.com/alask...-a-9mm-pistol/
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And then there is the guy who killed a grizzly with a 9mm...

https://www.wideopenspaces.com/alask...-a-9mm-pistol/
I saw a guy kill one with a spear. But I’ll still carry 10mm in the woods.
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And then there is the guy who killed a grizzly with a 9mm...

https://www.wideopenspaces.com/alask...-a-9mm-pistol/
Hugh Glass did it with a knife. However it like to killed him, so close that his companions left him for dead. I want bigger medicine if I'm gonna deal with old Ursus Horriblis....
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