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Which people?

Ahh..

Clearly I havent had nearly enough coffee this morning. Everything is just going over my head.
The ones that wont/can't grow/provide for their selves.......
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To whom it may interest.... In the spirit of this thread, I've launched a blog on self sufficient related topics, faith, social commentary. The basic premise is grid down, organic gardening. If we learn to grow like Ma and Pa Ingalls, we could easily withstand a power grid catastrophe.

The about page sums it up

https://growingfromscratch.com/about/


Its new, but I've been storing away post ideas for a few years, and wasting a lot of content, giving it away to Facebook. Going to give it a year, and see how it goes.
Awesome, Velvet Elvis.

Your blog site looks great!

I'm planning to ramp up my gardening efforts this summer, and my long-term goal is a food-production system that operates without inputs from the outside, so I'll probably be a frequent visitor to your site.
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this plant pays all my bills and then some. and i have an unlimited supply. been doing it 20 years and am swamped with orders. i do grow, can, dehydrate etc.. vegetables and fruit also. i live off the land in more ways than 1.
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Umm... I prolly sound dumb but what is it?

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this plant pays all my bills and then some. and i have an unlimited supply. been doing it 20 years and am swamped with orders. i do grow, can, dehydrate etc.. vegetables and fruit also. i live off the land in more ways than 1.
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manzanita, i build stuff out of it and people pay me money for my product.
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Some local artists/craftsmen make some amazing pieces out of manzanita
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Some local artists/craftsmen make some amazing pieces out of manzanita
here are a few things i have made out of manzanita. i have an eye for the best product for any given piece. i had that piece for the potatoe fork for 5 years until i found the fork at a garage sale. the wine rack could have been used for a reptile cage but this is a unique piece for a wine rack.
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beautiful pieces - thank you for sharing the pics!
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Given the COVID 19 crisis, it seems this might a good time to bump this thread. The grid isn't down, but with the economic fallout that appears to be barreling down the tracks at us, there is a good chance that the non prep / convenience items that many use might not be available, or could become a lot more expensive. I'm still not as accomplished as I would like to be in saving my own seeds, but I'm always trying. Currently have a part of last year's carrot bed covered in leaves and a tarp. That's how I prepped it last fall. This is my 3rd or 4th attempt at getting carrots to flower and produce seed after overwintering. Some of this is a lot more challenging in the northland.

So has the virus made you think about any changes you might need to make in your approach to self reliance gardening?
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Depends on the year
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We are way over-due for one hell of a catastrophe.
One H-E Double Hockey Stick of a prescient statement. It's upon us. I hope every one is as prepared as they need to be!
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One H-E Double Hockey Stick of a prescient statement. It's upon us. I hope every one is as prepared as they need to be!
Last year I prepared by establishing a new garden lot totally from scratch just to see how much work it would take and how well it would work with a completely no till, no gasoline, no convenience products like soil amendments, fertilizers etc. It was a mix of saved seeds and a little bit of purchased seed, so actually, there was some cheating going on as I haven't been able to propagate my own swiss chard, kale yet. But the green beans, squash and tomatoes all came from previous harvests. It produced just fine.
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Ok, saving seeds 101. Get a mesh strainer and anything wet "tomatoe, cucumber, watermelon, etc" put seeds in mesh colander wash off with medium water. Place paper plate down with varitiy on plate in sharpie. Slap colander down. Let dry for 2-3 days. Place in plastic ziplocks or jewelry bags. Write varity or name and year. Put some in freezer, some in stores, some in deep freezer.

Beans, Turnips, Collards, etc let dry on the plant then chaff and save the seeds just like that. That is 90% of it in a nutshell. Its not rocket science. Fridge is good for 5-10 years, out of fridge 2-3, freezer protected in a collapsible cooler bag 20+ years... based on 90% germination rates.
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Going to start seeds tomorrow. I never put transplants in the ground before May.
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My garden skills are rusty, and I planted my fruit and nut trees last month. Plus, I am learning to grow garden crops in my new area.
I figgure it will take several yrs to remember how to grow enough, then learn to process and store it for later.

Until then its good that I have food stored.
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Ok, saving seeds 101. Get a mesh strainer and anything wet "tomatoe, cucumber, watermelon, etc" put seeds in mesh colander wash off with medium water. Place paper plate down with varitiy on plate in sharpie. Slap colander down. Let dry for 2-3 days. Place in plastic ziplocks or jewelry bags. Write varity or name and year. Put some in freezer, some in stores, some in deep freezer.

Beans, Turnips, Collards, etc let dry on the plant then chaff and save the seeds just like that. That is 90% of it in a nutshell. Its not rocket science. Fridge is good for 5-10 years, out of fridge 2-3, freezer protected in a collapsible cooler bag 20+ years... based on 90% germination rates.
Yes, some of what you describe is as simple as that. I am struggling with biennials that need to overwinter in the ground to produce their seed in the second year. Zone 3 is a challenge in that regard for root crops in general with me. I’ve tried 3 different approaches with carrots.

But it’s more than just seed saving. I do use a commercial organic starting mix, but have done it simply using soil from the garden that put in a bucket before the ground froze the previous fall. The point is what, if any, commercial products is one reliant upon to grow food with that might become unavailable or exorbitantly expensive. This crisis might be a good time to reevaluate our dependencies, and to make adjustments before the economy goes completely to hell.
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I managed to get some cabbage slips in the ground about 2 wks ago. It's rained almost every day since then. My ground is soaked and cold.
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I'm in a position of owning a decent house on a very small lot that butts up to limestone bluff. I've grown long term survival plants experiments for a few years. I've grown beans, wheat from old pantry items. Always a herb garden. Try to see what's the best way to grow stuff in a urban setting potatoes/onions. That said I grow what I could ratchet up in a year to produce a lot of food. In no way grow enough now to be sustainable. I got into cattle because of my "nomad" position of living in a home for a investment purposes. I purposely turned down buying a home last fall with a few acres on it to get the "perfect" home. Oh well debating right now if I want to rip up a section of poor pasture land for a "victory" garden.
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Potatoes are easy. At optimum levels, 1/6 acre can supply 4 people with enough calories (2000) for the year. I am confident in calories. Tomatoes, cucumber and squash are easy for me as well. Without actually researching the specifics, I would say most vitamins are covered. Beans are fairly easy but I havnt grown a ton but should cover protein. I would have to rely on wild black walnuts for fat and additional protein. If we include raising chickens (and gathering walnuts) as "gardening" I think i would suceed... If my back holds up. I really need to replant some Jerusalem Artichoke, grapes and more trees.

My immediate go to would be duckweed if shtf. Grows wild everywhere (starter cultures) and doubles itself like every 24 hours. That would get us through the short term and fill in gaps if crops fail etc.
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