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Well your logic is bewildering and backwards.

First question, how do you know the terrorists actually hit their target at the Pentagon. Maybe they missed entirely and got a lucky hit. You (perhaps wrongly) assume they hit where they were trying to hit. A fallacy that the "truthers" continue to repeat.

We also don't know how fast the plane was going, but there's mathematical theories. It's all theory.

No I wasn't there to have first hand knowledge. Luckily, we have ample evidence. Piles and piles of proof. We do know for a fact based on forensics, records, evidence, and witnesses and corroborating information it was in fact one of the 4 missing hijacked planes.

Anything else is totally wild unsupported conspiracy nonsense.
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You do know that indicated airspeed within the cockpit and ground speed as observed by radar are two totally different and incomperable things?

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I know lots of things. What is your point?

For level flight, at zero wind speed, they are identical by the way. And that day had very little wind.
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What air speed is required of a tin can skinned aluminum framed aircraft to puncture through five (5!!!!) multi-foot thick reinforced concrete walls?
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What air speed is required of a tin can skinned aluminum framed aircraft to puncture through five (5!!!!) multi-foot thick reinforced concrete walls?
Not terribly scientific but....a helluva lot more than what was applied to any of the 911 crashes.

The nose of those things is the weakest part of the plane and yet the video footage clearly shows the nose exiting the other side of one of the towers.

Not the engines. Or landing gear. Those * might * get through as those things are the strongest parts but the nose? It's aluminum. That's it.

Another little factoid that clearly shows the laws of physics didn't apply that day. If you buy into the official narrative that's what ya gotta be willing to do.

It's a shame so many Americans are so scientifically illiterate to believe such a load of utter nonsense.
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What air speed is required of a tin can skinned aluminum framed aircraft to puncture through five (5!!!!) multi-foot thick reinforced concrete walls?
Hurricane forces can drive 2x4's through concrete block walls, straws into tree trunks.

Steel can be cut with a water jet.

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Yup. Hwy speeds and a piece of plywood. Thru hardened safety glass at 45 degree angle. Wide and oddly shaped and not even needing a direct hit.



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Yup. Hwy speeds and a piece of plywood. Thru hardened safety glass at 45 degree angle. Wide and oddly shaped and not even needing a direct hit.







Yikes. Why I hate traffic.

Those galvanised steel highway safety rails that are supposed to deflect a car when hit head on, will actually slice right through a car from engine compartment to trunk like being stabbed by a sword if hit straight on, due to poor design. The car is no match to the steel when the angle is right on.

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Physics is indeed amazing.
The walls of the pentagon were 18 inches thick. They were steel rebar reinforced concrete, not hollow concrete blocks.
We’re told the nose of that “airplane” passed through six of those walls, that means they expect people to believe the nose cone was able to drive it’s way through 9 feet of steel rebar reinforced concrete.

Do you think that is even remotely possible? Have you ever looked at the nose of an airliner? How high would the wind speeds of a hurricane have to be to send a 2x4 through nine feet of steel rebar reinforced concrete?
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Not to argue either side of this but there are some good videos of F 106 or 102 jets impacting concrete bunkers . Nothing is left of the jet or bunker. Well I cant seem to find those test videos where they launched those jets into bunkers . It was to test impact ability of nuclear storage facilities.. Strange how stuff disappears off the internet.
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Yup. Hwy speeds and a piece of plywood. Thru hardened safety glass at 45 degree angle. Wide and oddly shaped and not even needing a direct hit.



Your comparison makes zero sense, and you obviously know very little about windshields.

Windshields are two pieces of glass with a plastic film between them. They aren’t “hardened”, they aren’t even all that strong. Anything that hits a windshield at a moderate speed or with any real mass will break it or go through it.
They use tempered glass for the side windows, tempered glass is considered safety glass because when it breaks it breaks into granular pieces instead of shards like regular glass. They’re stronger than regular glass in other types of windows, but they aren’t especially strong, it’s relative.

Now for the prize, tell us how a picture of a piece of plywood stuck in the windshield of a car is proof that a carbon fiber nose cone that can be dented by impacting a duck can punch through 9 feet of steel rebar reinforced concrete
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Not to argue either side of this but there are some good videos of F 106 or 102 jets impacting concrete bunkers . Nothing is left of the jet or bunker. Well I cant seem to find those test videos where they launched those jets into bunkers . It was to test impact ability of nuclear storage facilities.. Strange how stuff disappears off the internet.
It can still be found, google Fighter Jet Hitting Concrete Wall. The F4 Phantom was sent 500 mph down a sled track into a concrete block and it didn’t make it through. In fact, the impact area of the block, the part that took the worst of the impact, was only broken a foot or so deep. The rebar was 100% intact. That video was a perfect perpendicular impact, they tell us the plane that hit the pentagon hit it at an angle, so that means it had even more material to pass through that 9 feet because of the angle.

It is impossible that the damage that was done to the pentagon was from an airplane impact.
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The walls of the pentagon were 18 inches thick. They were steel rebar reinforced concrete, not hollow concrete blocks.

We’re told the nose of that “airplane” passed through six of those walls, that means they expect people to believe the nose cone was able to drive it’s way through 9 feet of steel rebar reinforced concrete.



Do you think that is even remotely possible? Have you ever looked at the nose of an airliner? How high would the wind speeds of a hurricane have to be to send a 2x4 through nine feet of steel rebar reinforced concrete?
The aircraft did not pass through unscathed. Who said the nose was intact? Pictures?

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Steel can be cut with a water jet.

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This guy's argument is so convincing that I know believe that the twin towers came down like the gov told us.

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Now I'll just have to find some more retard level videos to explain bldg 7 free fall implosion, the missile attack on the Pentagon, and missing plane in the Shanksville field and then I can go back to sleep. Derp
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