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Old 11-08-2019, 09:56 PM
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At least the President didn't join clinton in Canada.
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At least the President didn't join clinton in Canada.
The rich and connected don't have to go to Canada. They go to Oxford(Clinton) or develop temporary 'bone spurs'(Trump).
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Even Bolton the Warmonger AVOIDED the service.
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I don’t know which is worse. Trump Jr comparing his financial sacrifice to the resting service members at Arlington or the Arizona Politician using his dead service buddies for some Twitter cred.
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I donít know which is worse. Trump Jr comparing his financial sacrifice to the resting service members at Arlington or the Arizona Politician using his dead service buddies for some Twitter cred.
The first one.
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I guess you think differently if you're not visiting someone. You don't have anyone to talk to.
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So what? Few civvies have a clue anyway.

I'd end up beat my hands to bloody stumps just trying to straighten out those who actually mean well.

Those that criticized Trump Jr. are just as misguided as Trump Jr himself. It's just faux virtue signalling in opposition to someone clueless. But while T-Jr was just being clueless the critics had an attack agenda. So they get a bad motive mark on top.

Unless a service member or vet actually commits a crime, then the civvies should just shut up about us.

Go to church on Memorial Day instead of BBQing, give vets the day off on Nov11, and give us a few bonus points when we look for a job. Otherwise quit trying to weigh in on something you can't fathom.

Seriously, why do you civvies stay in our business?
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Canada, Oxford, what's the difference.
He was the first (and only) pardoned federal felon to serve as President of the United States. Then later, of course, he committed numerous felonies which resulted in his impeachment.
President Trump is a choir boy compares to that joker.
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I really get tired of the "bone spurs" moniker

It's like he had a choice?


When the military declares you 4F, there's not much you can do about it!

My BIL, was declared 4F because of his back, that was 50yrs ago, he's never had any back issues in his life, yet he's the only one in my immediate family with no service with exception of a few nephews now

I guess he'd go thru hell if he ran for POTUS

I'd gladly do another stint in the Corps, I wouldn't want to put up with the crap the Trumps are having to go thru
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I really get tired of the "bone spurs" moniker

It's like he had a choice?


When the military declares you 4F, there's not much you can do about it!

My BIL, was declared 4F because of his back, that was 50yrs ago, he's never had any back issues in his life, yet he's the only one in my immediate family with no service with exception of a few nephews now

I guess he'd go thru hell if he ran for POTUS

I'd gladly do another stint in the Corps, I wouldn't want to put up with the crap the Trumps are having to go thru
But he never actually had bone spurs. A tenant of his father, who was doctor, fabricated the letter. Note today, portly, at over 300 lbs, he gets along pretty well on his two feet.
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So what? Few civvies have a clue anyway.

I'd end up beat my hands to bloody stumps just trying to straighten out those who actually mean well.

Those that criticized Trump Jr. are just as misguided as Trump Jr himself. It's just faux virtue signalling in opposition to someone clueless. But while T-Jr was just being clueless the critics had an attack agenda. So they get a bad motive mark on top.

Unless a service member or vet actually commits a crime, then the civvies should just shut up about us.

Go to church on Memorial Day instead of BBQing, give vets the day off on Nov11, and give us a few bonus points when we look for a job. Otherwise quit trying to weigh in on something you can't fathom.

Seriously, why do you civvies stay in our business?
The problem I have is that many of the people criticizing trump where also protesting Vietnam or sympathetic to those who protested Vietnam. So trump has now made the left pro Vietnam war ? Seriously ?

I wasn’t alive during the Vietnam war. I like to think I wouldn’t have gone, as I think foreign wars are unjust . I also think the draft is unjust ( as did Ronald Reagan ) especially when it’s a foreign war not somebody actually invading the USA. Again it’s hard to have an opinion about so thing that was over before I was born in a very different time.

We as a society no longer draft people for foreign wars. So I guess in many ways we have moved past that also.

If some guy who was drafted and fought in Vietnam wants to criticize trump I’ll at least listen. But he better have said the same about clinton and other lefties.

But anybody who supported Clinton or any other person of that era who dodged the draft is a hypocrite. And the same for somebody like Jane finds and her ilk. I mean the left called Vietnam vets “ baby killers” and not they want to use the same mouth to criticize trump for not going ? Zero credibility with me.
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When the military declares you 4F, there's not much you can do about it!
There were instances of 4F abuse. On the other hand, it's like a criminal accusation in that without a proper investigation then it is slander. Like some of these #MeToo accusations these people get convicted in the public arena with no chance at a trial and redemption.

If the 4F was legit then any accusation is pure junk. Vietnam was a hellhole that anyone told not to go should have heeded. I enlisted only a few years after the draft ended. I had my time in another hell hole. You'll never see me complaining I missed Vietnam. Wars are like marriages in that messing with another man's war is supremely foolish. I had to hear about Khe Sanh and the 444 Days of Marine captivity in Tehran from the guys who actually lived it. Not for one half second in Beirut did I ever wish I had been in those other places instead of the crap where I was. I don't envy the GW1, Iraq, Korea, Iwo Jima, or Korangal Valley vets either. I leave their war brides to them and stick to making peace with mine.

The fact is that troops don't want other troops around that didn't volunteer. Men without commitment are a liability. The man next to you needs to be willing to cover your back, not look to run away. Nothing is scarier to a troop than the idea of a rout of your fellow men. It spells an ugly and ignoble death. The kind where they find you later nailed to a tree mutilated.

We also only want one man per family per generation. Could you imagine being the Sullivan Brother's parents?

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But he never actually had bone spurs. A tenant of his father, who was doctor, fabricated the letter. Note today, portly, at over 300 lbs, he gets along pretty well on his two feet.
Ever seen Trump? He's no butter ball. He was weighed in 2018 at 236, not 300. He's also 71 yrs old. At that age you have to eat like a bird to stay lean. The extra pounds are of no risk to him.

They might even be good for him. Smoking, drinking, and extra pounds are unhealthy when you are under 60, but are of a bonus over 60 if you didn't over indulge before then.

A man his size isn't burdened by 250lbs on his feet.
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I am not fan of John McCain. But I voted for him, and Bob Dole.
Both went through a lot of pain in the service for their country.
Yet the same Media that will quote Trump from a 1993 Howard Stern
interview wouldn't bother to tell us their service made them at
all more qualified to be President.

Bill Clinton, and Barry Obama set the bar for being President. You
need to be a smooth talker, and lie well. Republicans Tried to give
us another Veteran but learned that its hard to find a Veteran that
lies as well as John F Kerry, so we had to give up on that.
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Too much TDS and TWS in this thread already. Read the OP article. It is about Trump Jr’s comments and a Senator Veteran from Arizona’s reaction to those comments.
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