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Old 12-27-2016, 06:32 PM
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My neighbor is a college. They bought the houses on both sides of mine. Then, they petitioned the city for a zoning change enabling them to pack in ten students per house. I managed to embarrass them enough in a city council meeting that they withdrew the request.
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Old 12-28-2016, 01:01 AM
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If the truth be told, I don't believe any of that nonsense I posted earlier in this thread.

I was initially responding to this:

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This is another reason I would not buy property that I don't have total control over it. I don't think anyone should be able to tell you what you can do or what you can't do with your land, especially if it is paid for.

I was trying to find where the limit was, if any, from those who talk about THEIR property rights and freedoms. I wanted to see where people started to draw lines and laws to protect themselves from other's unrestricted actions.

Good. We have established that individual rights do not trump the rights of the group.
And that some property restrictions MUST be in place and enforced if we are to live in a society.
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If the truth be told, I don't believe any of that nonsense I posted earlier in this thread.

I was trying to find where the limit was, if any, from those who talk about THEIR property rights and freedoms. I wanted to see where people started to draw lines and laws to protect themselves from other's unrestricted actions.
Wow. Well, you had me going. I couldn't believe somebody would be that dense. The thought that you might be doing something like that did cross my mind actually. Usually somebody with a post count like yours on a forum like this isn't that big of a jack ass.

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Good. We have established that individual rights do not trump the rights of the group.
And that some property restrictions MUST be in place and enforced if we are to live in a society.
I actually think that individual rights generally do trump the perceived "rights" of the group. This is brought to the forefront with things like eminent domain. The thing is that others also have those same individual rights, which is why we shouldn't be able to poison each others water, shoot at each others houses etc. I know this one is not as popular amongst the survivalist crowd, but I think hunting seasons and bag limits fall in this category as well. Each individual having the same rights actually ends up benefiting the whole of society. Some of this, like in most discussions of this nature, really just comes down to semantics.
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The extremes is exactly what we're talking about. There's nothing "authoritarian" about believing that people should not have the right to poison each others water. Algorythyms literally said that he believes he should have the right to do that. I mentioned extreme examples because he made an extreme statement. "No rules" is what he said. I have a very hard time thinking people are really dense enough to think that's a good idea so I presented some extreme examples to see if that's really what he believes. Do you agree with the "no rules, at all" policy then? You're ok with your neighbor literally doing anything he wants on his property, regardless of how it affects you or your property? You don't think there should be any laws regarding that? If that were the case there would be no legal recourse for you, no "taking care of yourself", not unless he came onto your property, and even then, in the contaminated well example, it's too late. That's not authoritarian, that's respecting the equal rights of others.
Except your first jumps was right to Anarchy as an opposition argument, this kind of shows your agenda. Good try, but if you stay away from the rhetoric and talking points we might be able to have a discussion.

Try again? Probably not, as you'll just go the "IT'LL BE ANARCHY!!!!" route again.
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