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Old 09-04-2019, 01:32 PM
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Having worked with several universities I can honestly say most professors and senior admin are making a killing. If they do research then they are making even more money.

Universities are in the mode of making money and growing a kingdom, not about helping students learn.
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No SAT, no ACT required. To be replaced with 3rd grade literacy test. - - The application form will be read to you.
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  • Colorado College has announced that it will no longer be requiring applicants to submit standardized test scores as part of the application process.
  • Students may still submit scores if they wish, but as an “optional” supplement to the rest of the application.
  • The college believes that this change will help to “increase the diversity” on campus.
https://www.campusreform.org/?ID=13649

Hey all you POCs, you be too dumb to pass ACT test so we fix it so we take your money anyway.

Talk about a worthless education.
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The real danger in rising college tuition is that fools will take out extremely high student loans. When they realize that it cannot be paid without sacrifice (or at all, because the numbers don't pencil) Socialism starts looking mighty fine.

And now that those loans are HELD by the government (this happened in the O years), there is no bankrupting out of them.

Family member has 2 precious angels and they both are in basic degree programs at a state university. Last count, they are at 70K in debt at 12% interest because parents must co-sign for the loans.

They are hoping for BS to win. And I do mean BS.

They know it's "magic" to "erase" those loans. They know it comes out of someone's back. They don't care because the mess they are in is overwhelming. They are now Socialists.
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The real danger in rising college tuition is that fools will take out extremely high student loans. When they realize that it cannot be paid without sacrifice (or at all, because the numbers don't pencil) Socialism starts looking mighty fine.

And now that those loans are HELD by the government (this happened in the O years), there is no bankrupting out of them.

Family member has 2 precious angels and they both are in basic degree programs at a state university. Last count, they are at 70K in debt at 12% interest because parents must co-sign for the loans.

They are hoping for BS to win. And I do mean BS.

They know it's "magic" to "erase" those loans. They know it comes out of someone's back. They don't care because the mess they are in is overwhelming. They are now Socialists.
The national debt means nothing to people who believe BS and AOC and the other commies telling them that everything will be free.

They can now STFU about boomers ruining their future.

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There is a total of $1.6 trillion in student loan debt outstanding, owed by 45.1 million borrowers, as of Q1 of 2019. Total outstanding student loan debt demonstrates linear growth and will reach $2.0 trillion by the end of 2023 or beginning of 2024 and $3.0 trillion by late 2037 or early 2038, if current trends continue.
https://www.savingforcollege.com/art...bt-outstanding

Chump change. Tax the rich.
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They can now STFU about boomers ruining their future.
The problem is, the retirement they were counting on is at peril due to mismanagement. And all we see around these parts is retired boomers on public employee pensions riding around in $100K+ RVs living happy lives full of stuff.

It's rough no matter who you are.
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I have a Co-Worker who Daughter Joined the Army is still in HS. WIll be taking the Criminal Investigation. Army CID yes her grades are that good.
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Not surprising. The people that did not get the automatic success and good pay that college once guaranteed had kids that are starting to graduate high school. Do you really think those parents are going to push as much for their kids to go to college when it did not work out for them?

I know that I don't plan on forcing my daughter to go to college like my parents did to me. I do plan on encouraging it if she picks a good career field and has the smarts to back it up.

Side note my wife attended a UW school in WI 7 plus years ago and it always looked half abandon but they still where expanding the campus.
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Old 09-05-2019, 06:47 PM
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We Encouraged our kids to get skills or degrees in STEM subjects, not liberal arts. My brothers both got STEM degrees, I went the law route and ended up on that end of law enforcement. My wife has a STEM degree she uses in healthcare. When times get bad, our workloads pick up greatly. In the good times they coast at an entertaining pace. We are both from working class backgrounds and our kids are a mixture of both worlds too, with esoteric skill sets AND practical skill sets. They have all attended, so far one is headed to graduation. As far as I know we have not co-signed anything. Yet. It was all on us, it’s all on them.
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If a person wants to teach, or have any number of other professions college is necessary. There is nothing wrong with college provided you pay as you go and provided you understand the earning limits of the profession.

It is in the nature of people, especially those with advanced degrees, to believe they are worth what they know. This is a sad truth. Earning most degrees is not easy. That does not necessarily make them valuable.
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I often regret not becoming a master electrician or master welder. OTOH, I enjoyed undergrad and got excellent grades in something I truly enjoyed. Yes, I knew it was a dead end from day one. Still great fun!
In my last career job, we had service techs with at most a associates degree in electronics, or equivalent military training, making 30% more than I was as a Project Engineer. Granted they were often not home except on weekends, but that six-figure income did a lot to make it palatable.
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In my last career job, we had service techs with at most a associates degree in electronics, or equivalent military training, making 30% more than I was as a Project Engineer. Granted they were often not home except on weekends, but that six-figure income did a lot to make it palatable.
You are right. The path to a successful career is being willing to do what other are not.

We were in a meeting and it was said that I would be going to [I forget the fun sounding location] and would be out of the plant. It was ask why does ... get to go everywhere? My boss said on the ... I need someone to go to Juarez Mexico for a week then to Mexico City would you like to go? No ..... That is why ... gets to go. He just says when and for how long never no.
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Long time ago I worked for a company that serviced shipboard machine tools for the Navy. We had a call for a tech for a ship docked in Majorca, Spain. Sent this old character who happened to be our best expert on that sort of machine. Long story short, he had to wait there for about ten days for some special parts, and he called every day to complain. Hated Majorca. (Look it up.) We never let up on him when he got back.
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I won't be sad seeing the fake colleges fold up. That doesn't mean fewer college graduates, though. With manufacturing moved offshore and robots taking over what's left, college is more important now than ever. It is where 90% of the jobs are.
https://www.marketwatch.com/story/ni...ree-2018-06-04
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Most don't know this, but the liberal arts make up a strong foundation of STEM. The idea goes all the way back to ancient Greece and even China.
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So the self-serving Humanities professors want us to believe. Classical logic aside, the only other humanities course that ever did me any good as an engineer was English, and not the kind that insists on spending a whole semester on Mill on the Floss, either.
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Colleges have gone past the point of educating people for a career and turning out carbon copies of robots.

Gone are trade schools or even trade classes. Try to get a slot at an affordable college to become a nurse, it's a two year wait. At least where I am and all we hear is how big the shortage of nurses there are. [snip]
Nursing is a tough program to get into. My wife graduated in 2008 with her BSN. Admission to the actual Nursing curriculum was only granted after completion of the lower-division prerequisites and passing an entrance exam. There were 50 seats up for grabs at her university each January, and there were nearly 500 applicants every year. And every year, 90% of the hopeful applicants for that program are disappointed. Most give up after a couple of years of trying.

And don't believe that "nursing shortage" story. That comes from a report by the Institute of Medicine released in 2010 that predicted a shortfall of up to 70,000 nurses every year due to baby boomer nurses retiring and an aging population that would require more nursing care. It never happened. Those boomer nurses, by the thousands, are still working well into their 70s because they can't afford to retire. Some are still paying off student loans for degrees they earned in their 40s and 50s.
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If you want into nursing, where are you located, there are ways
Sorry I did not read close enough, but for those that do?
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Between graduating high school and getting my first real job I went to college. I did that mainly because nobody would hire me in my profession at that young age without some kind of training. I had a scholarship for the first year. To make this short, I dropped out of college after the first year and a half because I couldn't afford it. I thought it stupid to get loans to pay $25k per year for a degree that would only get me a job that paid at the time $28k per year. So I dropped out and went another route. About 10 years later I had a job that would pay for college so I started back to it. Just to finish. I only took a student loan when my job decided to pay for a college degree. The pay raise was more than the cost of the loan. In my normally day to day my degree is worthless. Outside of my profession my degree is worthless. It is great for a basic understanding of the career field, but little else. If it hadn't been mostly free, I would definitely advise against getting it. I paid for five classes at a community college and two classes with the student loan from a regional university. My total 4-year degree cost me less than $5k.

When my youngest graduated high school and was looking to go to college he was unsure of what he wanted to study. The only advice I gave him was to look at what he wanted to do for money and get a degree in that. If the college tries to sell you on a degree, research it on your own to see if there were any real job opportunities out there. The college doesn't care what you major in as long as you continue to pay your bills and they try to keep you there even if it is only to get a degree that has no earning potential. I suggested STEM or something in business or finance. He lasted a year then left for the real world and seems to enjoy what he does.
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Between graduating high school and getting my first real job I went to college. I did that mainly because nobody would hire me in my profession at that young age without some kind of training. I had a scholarship for the first year. To make this short, I dropped out of college after the first year and a half because I couldn't afford it. I thought it stupid to get loans to pay $25k per year for a degree that would only get me a job that paid at the time $28k per year. So I dropped out and went another route. About 10 years later I had a job that would pay for college so I started back to it. Just to finish. I only took a student loan when my job decided to pay for a college degree. The pay raise was more than the cost of the loan. In my normally day to day my degree is worthless. Outside of my profession my degree is worthless. It is great for a basic understanding of the career field, but little else. If it hadn't been mostly free, I would definitely advise against getting it. I paid for five classes at a community college and two classes with the student loan from a regional university. My total 4-year degree cost me less than $5k.

When my youngest graduated high school and was looking to go to college he was unsure of what he wanted to study. The only advice I gave him was to look at what he wanted to do for money and get a degree in that. If the college tries to sell you on a degree, research it on your own to see if there were any real job opportunities out there. The college doesn't care what you major in as long as you continue to pay your bills and they try to keep you there even if it is only to get a degree that has no earning potential. I suggested STEM or something in business or finance. He lasted a year then left for the real world and seems to enjoy what he does.
Sound reasoning and sound advice.
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