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Old 10-02-2019, 03:55 PM
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Islamic fanaticism is seen in you not answering simple questions, like:
  1. Do Kafir women and children deserve to die via Islamic Jihadis?
  2. Does Israel have a right to exist?
  3. Do you even acknowledge Muslim women and children have acted as terrorists, despite links provided?
  4. Do you acknowledge Islamic Jihadis initiated murder of women and children?
  5. Do you acknowledge Israel makes up 1% of the land controlled by Muslims?
  6. Do you acknowledge responsible Muslim fatherís and husbands should not let their innocent wives and children be at the front line of the war?

Once I paid little attention to the problem of peace in the Middle East. Once one realizes Islamists fanatical position, it is clear where the problem is from.
According to US, Israeli and Saudi foreign policy, non Muslim women and children do in fact deserve to die to Islamic jihadists.

Dead Christians are OK as long as Bashir Al Asad isn't in power.

Slave markets are great, as long as Qaddafi is dead.

Displacing 500,000 Christians of some of the oldest Christian communities is awesome as long as Saddam is dead.

When speaking about MENA, Christian's are an argument of convenience. They are merely collateral for a globalist gain and hot talking points and soundbytes for the MSM to feed the plebes.

The foreign policy for these countries doesn't even consider them or think of the repercussions.

Nobody gives a single **** how many Christians are killed, displaced or how their lives are in peril due to whom they offer material or logistic support either publicly or clandestinely.
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According to US, Israeli and Saudi foreign policy, non Muslim women and children do in fact deserve to die to Islamic jihadists.

Dead Christians are OK as long as Bashir Al Asad isn't in power.

Slave markets are great, as long as Qaddafi is dead.

Displacing 500,000 Christians of some of the oldest Christian communities is awesome as long as Saddam is dead.

When speaking about MENA, Christian's are an argument of convenience. They are merely collateral for a globalist gain and hot talking points and soundbytes for the MSM to feed the plebes.

The foreign policy for these countries doesn't even consider them or think of the repercussions.

Nobody gives a single **** how many Christians are killed, displaced or how their lives are in peril due to whom they offer material or logistic support either publicly or clandestinely.
Everything you wrote is true, but woefully unknown in the U.S.

Evangelical Christians who supported the 2003 invasion of Iraq because they thought Saddam had a role in 9/11 and/or he had WMDs and posed a threat to Israel have no clue that the last tribes of that region who spoke Aramaic - the spoken language of Jesus - and who are Christians are nearing extermination because Al-Qaeda-type warriors who weren't there before moved in thanks to the power vacuum created by the takedown of Saddam.

I reserve more anger when it comes to Libya to the hypocrisy seen also amongst leftists, as they supported Obama. They to this day claim they fight for minorities but dozens of thousands of Arab women and men and children died because Obama armed "moderate fighters" against Assad. Many of them simply moved over to Islamic State.

The slave markets in Libya should horrify anybody with a conscience, but leftists use their selectively. In this regard, leftists and conservatives who are Zionist Christians are mirror images of each other, and the irony in this is unnoticed by both. It'd be funny if it weren't tragic.
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The slave markets in Libya should horrify anybody with a conscience,
The slave markets in Islamic countries should horrify anybody with a conscience.

Where is the outrage in Muslim countries about slave markets in other Muslim countries? Marching in the streets? Flag burning? Where are the Imans explaining how this is a violation of the tenants of The Koran? Non-existent. The truth about the Religion of Piece is shown here.

This implies Islamists do not have a conscience - using your own standard. Hence, supporting a mutual defense treaty among non-Islamist countries, like the US and Israel.
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The slave markets in Islamic countries should horrify anybody with a conscience.

Where is the outrage in Muslim countries about slave markets in other Muslim countries? Marching in the streets? Flag burning? Where are the Imans explaining how this is a violation of the tenants of The Koran? Non-existent. The truth about the Religion of Piece is shown here.

This implies Islamists do not have a conscience - using your own standard. Hence, supporting a mutual defense treaty among non-Islamist countries, like the US and Israel.
You should say this to the leftists who condemn the United States for its racist history (according to them). The U.S. at the very least has attempted to make amends for its past.

The slave markets in Libya are a direct result of Barack Obama's foreign policy. Seeing leftists remain silent if not ignorant of black Africans being sold like animals out in the open as a consequence of what their beloved community organizer turned president did through his foreign policy is a spectacle of the grossest possible hypocrisy.
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You should say this to the leftists who condemn the United States for its racist history (according to them).
I have said it to Leftists for years.

Not w.r.t slave markets in Libya but regarding ZERO protests when there is an Islamic terrorist attack. According to religion of peace.com, there have been over 30,000 Islamic terrorist attacks since 9/11. No marching in the streets. No imams taking to airwaves explaining how this goes against the Koran.

The Left have a narrative and they donít let facts get in their way. For certain, the Left and Islamic totalitarianism are aligned. Sun Tse said The enemy of my enemy is my friend. Hence, a mutual defense treaty between the US and Israel.
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I have said it to Leftists for years.
What did they say to you in response?
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What did they say to you in response?
General denial. While we fire teachers for using the wrong pronouns and boycott products from Firefox as their CEO supported Prop 8, we are expected to tolerate Muslims throwing gays off high places. Indeed, it is decried as Islamophobic for even noticing.

The double standards are striking.
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General denial. While we fire teachers for using the wrong pronouns and boycott products from Firefox as their CEO supported Prop 8, we are expected to tolerate Muslims throwing gays off high places. Indeed, it is decried as Islamophobic for even noticing.

The double standards are striking.
I hear you. I tried to bring up the Obama/Libya thing to liberals. They don't even respond.

Leftists absolutely refuse to even entertain facts that if faced rationally would force them to re-evaluate their worldviews at the very least and at most to discard them altogether. They thought Barack Obama was a saint, and that they believe he worked to improve the lives of minorities simply cannot withstand the possibility that his foreign policy got nonwhites (including women of color) killed in Libya. They likewise will not accept that black Africans are being sold like property in Libya, again directly thanks to his foreign policy.
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One rationale that I've heard several times is that it was not Obama but Clinton. Her 'leadership' in Libya was supposed to propel her to the Presidency. It turned into a disaster and I am reminded of the ancient Roman saying. Victory has a 1,000 fathers. Defeat is an orphan.

The narrative of the Left is that problems in the Middle East are Bush's fault! That's why they cannot respond to facts which undermine their worldview. Cognitive dissonance on display. Did you hear the vid about how Muslims are Right About Women? Their ideology is becoming cannibalistic.
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Obama and Hillary are both responsible. As secretary of state, Hillary had a direct and major role in that fiasco, but as it happened under Obama's watch, he as president also bore responsibility. It's not as if Hillary acted without Obama's awareness.

If it had been the opposite - no bloodbath, a quick and easy victory for the "moderate fighers" - and no slave markets, no suffering for Libyan civilians - Obama would have touted that as a foreign policy success, to enlarge his own legacy, while Hillary would have used it as ammunition during her campaign.

If the Hillary/Obama policy towards Libya had happened under a Republican president, the left would have assailed the president and his secretary of state.
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