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How does that get done? Third world populations sometimes run 70 for average IQ, and that means that 50% of the given population is even dumber than that.
Very easy, stop letting them into western countries, and stop giving them stuff other than birth control . Then they can reduce their population to a density the area they live in can support, and they can stop trying to go live somewhere else

Maybe pay them to NOT have kids instead of feeding the 10 they have?
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What really ****es me off about all this is that there is a lot of real environmental problems out there
Like what?

Your magical environmental problems.. .I don't beleive you, there are no envrionmental problems.

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If you really want to do something positive for the environment, all of it, do something that will decrease world population.
Like what birth control maternal supports and ******** funding programs? (holy, didn't realize babyending was a banned word here...) Or aiding the chinese in getting rid of pro life religions?




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less people, less need for resources , less pollution, and if there IS warming, there would be more room to move somewhere else
wow but with the end of offshoring, bringing all those US industries back will surely increase this pollution problem you think exists. Where is the pollution problem?

You seem to be inventing a lot of envrionmental problems without mentioning any of them specifically.

How do you suppose these problems are fixed, drain the water table cut down the forests and base line everything to martian surface so that the problems go away along with the environment causing them.
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I would like the skeptics to lookup 'Frost Fairs on the Thames'. Those years in the 16th, 17th, 18th centuries when the Thames would freeze over and there would literally be a fair, stalls and even a circus on the Thames for many weeks.
You could lookup the temperature using CET for the years that the fairs happened.

It doesn't happen any more - and will not every happen for anyone alive today - the temperature has warmed far too much.
Did you bother finding out what caused that? Not lack of CO2, for a start.

Did you realize that the fact that we had that little ice age and have since been warming up, makes the fact that we are getting warmer.....normal?

Did you consider that the data you don’t understand, which came from that period, shows an abnormal cold, within the limits of their instruments, making the warming you are so afraid of...less of a drastic comparison than you are pretending it is.

Anyway...your little story actually backs our position, and sinks yours.

Smooth move.

Hey, but at least you managed to find something that wasn’t weather. Good job!

Eventually, you are going to realize that everything you post is being proven wrong. No, I’m wrong about that. That would take intelligence, and honesty.
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Like what?

Your magical environmental problems.. .I don't beleive you, there are no envrionmental problems.

Like what birth control maternal supports and ******** funding programs? (holy, didn't realize babyending was a banned word here...) Or aiding the chinese in getting rid of pro life religions?






wow but with the end of offshoring, bringing all those US industries back will surely increase this pollution problem you think exists. Where is the pollution problem?

You seem to be inventing a lot of envrionmental problems without mentioning any of them specifically.

How do you suppose these problems are fixed, drain the water table cut down the forests and base line everything to martian surface so that the problems go away along with the environment causing them.
Hey WA. More strawman.

Industries here have to follow strict regulations, and would be FAR less polluting than the same plant in some developing country.

You are the one playing imaginary games and inventing problems.

Once again....you swing and you miss. By a mile.
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“Real” Causes of Global Warming?
Does anyone remember the Energy Crisis of the 1970s? Among the many proposals, there were a few that suggested implementing orbital stations that sent solar power to the ground, via microwaves, lasers or other means.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Space-based_solar_power
SBSP is being actively pursued by Japan, China, and Russia. In 2008 Japan passed its Basic Space Law which established Space Solar Power as a national goal and JAXA has a roadmap to commercial SBSP. In 2015 the China Academy for Space Technology (CAST) briefed their roadmap at the International Space Development Conference (ISDC) where they showcased their road map to a 1 GW commercial system in 2050.
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Doesn’t anyone think that pumping more energy into the ecosphere will have no effect?
Oh, right, it hasn’t got any CO2, so we’re all safe.
LOL.
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Tiberios' "Little Ice Age" corresponds closely to the Maunder Minimum, a period of very low sunspot activity. The correlation is so striking that it's all but impossible to believe that the two aren't related.

It was data from the Maunder Minimum period that Michael Mann and Phil Jones had to assiduously suppress to make the now-debunked "hockey stick" graph work so that the Reverend Algore could use it in his notorious (and self-serving) movie.

Steve McIntyre it was who set the whole AGW hoax on fire by noticing this rather egregious bit of sleight-of-hand, and the rest is history.
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“Real” Causes of Global Warming?
Does anyone remember the Energy Crisis of the 1970s? Among the many proposals, there were a few that suggested implementing orbital stations that sent solar power to the ground, via microwaves, lasers or other means.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Space-based_solar_power
SBSP is being actively pursued by Japan, China, and Russia. In 2008 Japan passed its Basic Space Law which established Space Solar Power as a national goal and JAXA has a roadmap to commercial SBSP. In 2015 the China Academy for Space Technology (CAST) briefed their roadmap at the International Space Development Conference (ISDC) where they showcased their road map to a 1 GW commercial system in 2050.
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Doesn’t anyone think that pumping more energy into the ecosphere will have no effect?
Oh, right, it hasn’t got any CO2, so we’re all safe.
LOL.
Freeman Dyson suggested that a sufficiently advanced civilization would have this problem 50 years ago. Larry Niven incorporated it into his sci-fi novels, and so far that's all it is - fiction.
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Tiberios' "Little Ice Age" corresponds closely to the Maunder Minimum, a period of very low sunspot activity. The correlation is so striking that it's all but impossible to believe that the two aren't related.
It is also during a period of C02 that is about 270 parts per million.
Thanks to our ongoing industrial revolution and continuing use of fossil fuels, we are
up to...
411.77 parts per million.
https://www.co2.earth/

So, the Thames isn't going to freeze over again.

You can create graphs of C02 level and temperature for the last couple hundred years.
Nice fit.

However, sun spots - what is the mechanism for that?
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Like what?
Plastics in the oceans. Acid and lead run-off from lead-acid battery recycling. Garbage dumping into oceans and water ways. Poor septic containment from ground water.

Each of these pose a greater threat to the earth being habitable than global warming/climate change. Each of these has a greater effect than any so-called greenhouse gas.

The globe is/has been warming. The causes are/have been natural. Coping with not changing the earth's changing climate must be the focus. Coping includes handling the above pollutants with good stewardship.

A prime example of poor stewardship is the extravagance of those rich and famous to control the common man.
https://www.newsbusters.org/blogs/nb...gs-10000-miles
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Like what?

Your magical environmental problems.. .I don't beleive you, there are no envrionmental problems.

Like what birth control maternal supports and ******** funding programs? (holy, didn't realize babyending was a banned word here...) Or aiding the chinese in getting rid of pro life religions?

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I had actually typed up a list of real pollution problems but deleted it since it was off topic .
But here you go: giant plastic islands floating in the ocean, there are actually many photos of this. Don't know if you ever go to the beach but it's sad all the garbage and dead animals that wash up. Complete overfishing by the Asians. Radioactive waste leaking into the Pacific from Fukishima, massive water pollution from agriculture in the U.S. since they are excempt causing dead zones where large rivers like the MIssissippi runs into the ocean, or Cheasapeak Bay . GMO / Roundup killing all insects even the good ones. Loss of rainforest everywhere ( we do need oxygen and trees produce that) . Massive horrible water pollution in all Asian countries and Russia that eventually runs into the ocean in many cases. The oceans are being destroyed, and will eventually be just dead nasty bodies of water like the Aral sea in Russia ( look that up if you want to see disaster) . All the Superfund sites in the U.S. still that will never be cleaned up. It's endless
( I have a degree in Environmental Engineering btw)
Most of these problems are located outside the U.S. and there is really nothing we can do about, which makes it even more ironic that they want the US to pay for this ficticious global warming.
Why not make China, India , Russia and Japan pay for their extensive ocean damage instead? See how far you get with that!

I already posted what I would do to decrease populations in ****hole countries that are still growing, you just need to read it
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Poor septic containment from ground water.

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That's not really a problem...just thought I would point that out, rest of your post I agree with.

Septic containment would only be a problem if everyone in a large city had an old septic tank and a shallow well, which nobody does any longer. Every city in the U.S has sanitary sewers now and the water is being treated. In rural areas, even if the septic leaks, it will just go into the ground and by the time it gets to the groundwater it will no longer be a problem. The exception would be if you had a very shallow well right next to a leaky septic system, but what would only be the individual homeowners problem, not an issue caused any damage to the environment.
Real groundwater pollution problems for example in Florida are chemicals that got dumped into the ground by very often even the government. I worked on a project tracking a chemical flume under the ground that was caused by chemicals being dumped down a well by the air force in the 50s.
50 years later it showed up in groundwater near a public utilities drinking water well , the well was thankfully much deeper but it was still a concern, and these things cost a small fortune to clean up ( bio remediation)
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That's not really a problem...just thought I would point that out, rest of your post I agree with.

Septic containment would only be a problem if everyone in a large city had an old septic tank and a shallow well, which nobody does any longer. Every city in the U.S has sanitary sewers now and the water is being treated. In rural areas, even if the septic leaks, it will just go into the ground and by the time it gets to the groundwater it will no longer be a problem. The exception would be if you had a very shallow well right next to a leaky septic system, but what would only be the individual homeowners problem, not an issue caused any damage to the environment.
Real groundwater pollution problems for example in Florida are chemicals that got dumped into the ground by very often even the government. I worked on a project tracking a chemical flume under the ground that was caused by chemicals being dumped down a well by the air force in the 50s.
50 years later it showed up in groundwater near a public utilities drinking water well , the well was thankfully much deeper but it was still a concern, and these things cost a small fortune to clean up ( bio remediation)
That is not entirely correct. Many ares where subdivisions were built along creeds between WWI and the 80s used septic tanks. Because land was relatively cheap and included part of the lot in the hundred year floodplain these creeks are contaminated.

This is in the USA and slowly being corrected. It is still a global problem. Plus globally there has been little control of well to septic distance location. Also percolation test are seldom done.

I agree this in not a big problem in the USA except for Michigan.
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