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Why does it seem to me that this "Holy" book can't seem to get it's story straight? Even when it come to some of its most pivitol moments; it's lies and inconsistencies seem to trip over one another.


Acts 1:18
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18 (With the payment he received for his wickedness, Judas bought a field; there he fell headlong, his body burst open and all his intestines spilled out.



Acts 1:18
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18 Now this man purchased a field with the reward of iniquity; and falling headlong, he burst asunder in the midst, and all his bowels gushed out.

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Matthew 27:3-6

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3 Then Judas, which had betrayed him, when he saw that he was condemned, repented himself, and brought again the thirty pieces of silver to the chief priests and elders,
4 Saying, I have sinned in that I have betrayed the innocent blood. And they said, What is that to us? see thou to that.
5 And he cast down the pieces of silver in the temple, and departed, and went and hanged himself.
6 And the chief priests took the silver pieces, and said, It is not lawful for to put them into the treasury, because it is the price of blood.


Matthew 27:3-6

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3 When Judas, who had betrayed him, saw that Jesus was condemned, he was seized with remorse and returned the thirty pieces of silver to the chief priests and the elders. 4 “I have sinned,” he said, “for I have betrayed innocent blood.”
“What is that to us?” they replied. “That’s your responsibility.”
5 So Judas threw the money into the temple and left. Then he went away and hanged himself.
6 The chief priests picked up the coins and said, “It is against the law to put this into the treasury, since it is blood money.”

I beleive an explaination is in order. After all if this is the "word of God". God can't seem to keep his story straight.
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wow....thats crazy
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Could you clarify?
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Do a forum search. This very point was addressed several months ago.
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How bout' you splain it?

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No, because you or someone else will throw this same charge in Christian faces in a few weeks or so.
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Why does it seem to me that this "Holy" book can't seem to get it's story straight? Even when it come to some of its most pivitol moments; it's lies and inconsistencies seem to trip over one another.


Acts 1:18
New International Version (NIV)
18 (With the payment he received for his wickedness, Judas bought a field; there he fell headlong, his body burst open and all his intestines spilled out.



Acts 1:18
King James Version (KJV)
18 Now this man purchased a field with the reward of iniquity; and falling headlong, he burst asunder in the midst, and all his bowels gushed out.

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Matthew 27:3-6

King James Version (KJV)
3 Then Judas, which had betrayed him, when he saw that he was condemned, repented himself, and brought again the thirty pieces of silver to the chief priests and elders,
4 Saying, I have sinned in that I have betrayed the innocent blood. And they said, What is that to us? see thou to that.
5 And he cast down the pieces of silver in the temple, and departed, and went and hanged himself.
6 And the chief priests took the silver pieces, and said, It is not lawful for to put them into the treasury, because it is the price of blood.


Matthew 27:3-6

New International Version (NIV)
3 When Judas, who had betrayed him, saw that Jesus was condemned, he was seized with remorse and returned the thirty pieces of silver to the chief priests and the elders. 4 “I have sinned,” he said, “for I have betrayed innocent blood.”
“What is that to us?” they replied. “That’s your responsibility.”
5 So Judas threw the money into the temple and left. Then he went away and hanged himself.
6 The chief priests picked up the coins and said, “It is against the law to put this into the treasury, since it is blood money.”

I beleive an explaination is in order. After all if this is the "word of God". God can't seem to keep his story straight.



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There is no contradiction here at all because both are true. A contradiction occurs when one statement excludes the possibility of another. The Second Law of Logic, the Law of Non Contradition, (LNC) says that something cannot be both true and false at the same time and in the same sense. It is not a contradiction to describe something differently: Judas was hung and Judas fell down. Both are possible since neither negates the possibility of the other. A contradiction occurs when one statement makes another statement impossible but both are said to be true. So, what happened here is that Judas went and hung himself and then his body later fell down and split open. In other words, the rope or branch of the tree probably broke due to the weight and his body fell down and his bowels spilled out.

Also, notice that Matt. 27:3-8 tells us specifically how Judas died, by hanging. Acts 1:16-19 merely tells us that he fell headlong and his bowels gushed out. Acts does not tell us that this is the means of his death where Matthew does.
http://carm.org/bible-difficulties/m...r-falling-down
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Care not to educate me as to the error of my ways? Or do you not care to admit yours? I would like an explaination. You are after all quite out spoken on such matters...
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And a dead man threw the money he spent purchasing a field,back into a temple, after he had spent it?
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By the way. "Both are true" is very laughable as they are not supported by your scripture.
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And a dead man threw the money he spent purchasing a field,back into a temple, after he had spent it?
We don't know the price he paid...could have bee 5 pieces and he threw the rest?...Does not violate The Second Law of Logic
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By the way. "Both are true" is very laughable as they are not supported by your scripture.
Your joking right?..you posted both of them..lol
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Care not to educate me as to the error of my ways?

No im not your mommy



Or do you not care to admit yours?

I have NONE.. lol



I would like an explaination. You are after all quite out spoken on such matters...
And you have one...its not my problem if you dont like it.
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Judas DID buy the field, the priests used his money. You need to study the differences in word usage and sentence structure of the other languages to reconcile the differences.

http://www.tektonics.org/gk/judasdeath.html
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Your joking right?..you posted both of them..lol
No joke. Your response is not supported by your scripture.
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The two accounts vary in nearly every detail. Yet you tell yourself they are the same event. Why?
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I do notice I've struck a nerve. Why so touchy?
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And you have one...its not my problem if you dont like it.
"I have none" (in regard to error in ones ways...) 300Mag, 9/1/12.
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We don't know the price he paid...could have bee 5 pieces and he threw the rest?...Does not violate The Second Law of Logic
Then read...

Matthew;
1 Very early in the morning, the leading priests and other leaders met again to discuss how to persuade the Roman government to sentence Jesus to death. 2 Then they bound him and took him to Pilate, the Roman governor. 3 When Judas, who had betrayed him, realized that Jesus had been condemned to die, he was filled with remorse. So he took the thirty pieces of silver back to the leading priests and other leaders.

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The two accounts vary in nearly every detail. Yet you tell yourself they are the same event. Why?
No, they do not vary. They include different details and commentaries of the same event.
Judas died. By hanging. The result of the hanging also included the body falling headlong and bursting open.
Judas had silver, he tried to give it back to the priests. They decided they could not accept the "blood money", and instead used the money they refused (Judas silver) to purchase the field. Thus Judas bought the field.

If anything, this would tend to show that the account in Matthew likely predates Acts. The later written account would blur the event, and more likely recount the standout portions of the situation. Everybody already knew he hanged himself, but the fact that his body fell and split is worthy of note. That the field was bought by the priests would be known, that the money was actually Judas' bribe money is mentionable.
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