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Old 09-01-2019, 11:56 AM
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Here is in my opinion of one example of "cheating," in a street fight.

You walk out of the bar, and on the way to your car
some guy who you some how slighted challenges you.

This guy has enjoyed a few more than you have,
and after he is laying on the ground, finished,
you kick him in the face, between the legs,
then you take his wallet.

You feel like, you didn't ask for him to hassle you,
you just wanted to go home. Maybe next time
he will leave people alone?

On the other hand, there are plenty of people out
there with drinking problems who make things
hard on the rest of us.

But did you have to kick his teeth out of his face?
Did you have to make sure he lost a testicle when
he was on the ground?
Did you have to steal his wallet so he couldn't pay
his rent, and his wife and little child got evicted?

There is a code of conduct for every aspect of life,
even a street fight.
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Old 09-01-2019, 12:16 PM
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Here is in my opinion of one example of "cheating," in a street fight.

You walk out of the bar, and on the way to your car
some guy who you some how slighted challenges you.

This guy has enjoyed a few more than you have,
and after he is laying on the ground, finished,
you kick him in the face, between the legs,
then you take his wallet.

You feel like, you didn't ask for him to hassle you,
you just wanted to go home. Maybe next time
he will leave people alone?

On the other hand, there are plenty of people out
there with drinking problems who make things
hard on the rest of us.

But did you have to kick his teeth out of his face?
Did you have to make sure he lost a testicle when
he was on the ground?
Did you have to steal his wallet so he couldn't pay
his rent, and his wife and little child got evicted?

There is a code of conduct for every aspect of life,
even a street fight.
INTERESTING PARALLEL...

Call of a cutting at a local mom and pop neighborhood bar.
Come in the door and there is this 20 something rough looking guy bleeding out on the floor of the bar and the bartender is there with a mop trying to keep the blood localized on the hardwood floor.
GREAT...
So another officer arrives and I tell him to check witnesses I am gonna try to get some kind of statement from the guy swimming in his own blood. I get down on hands and knees so I can hear the gasps from the guy but he isn't quite in condition to say anything. I get back up and I look like the vic, the blood is dripping off my uniform.
anyway,
witness statements,
guy on the floor is a real Adam Henry, always picking on people.
There was a stranger at the bar having a beer. He starts picking on the guy who just wants to drink his beer in peace. Idiot doesn't let up, challenges the guy to fight him.
In disgust strangers leaves his drink unfinished and leaves. Butthead grabs 2 pool balls and goes after him.
30, maybe 40 seconds go by, butthead stumbles back in and collapses and leaks all over the place.
At hospital they rush the guy to surgery where he dies. He was center thrust and aorta was cut then as he was going down he took another shot to the kidney. CLASSIC KNIFE TECHNIQUE.
As for our cutter.. gone without a trace.
We write it up as clear cut self defense as far as we were concerned.

3 days later the cutter shows up WITH his attorney to talk to the detectives.
Prosecutor cleared the guy as SD.
Guy brought pool balls to a knife fight, not cheating at all.
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Old 09-01-2019, 12:27 PM
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INTERESTING PARALLEL...

Call of a cutting at a local mom and pop neighborhood bar.
Come in the door and there is this 20 something rough looking guy bleeding out on the floor of the bar and the bartender is there with a mop trying to keep the blood localized on the hardwood floor.
GREAT...
So another officer arrives and I tell him to check witnesses I am gonna try to get some kind of statement from the guy swimming in his own blood. I get down on hands and knees so I can hear the gasps from the guy but he isn't quite in condition to say anything. I get back up and I look like the vic, the blood is dripping off my uniform.
anyway,
witness statements,
guy on the floor is a real Adam Henry, always picking on people.
There was a stranger at the bar having a beer. He starts picking on the guy who just wants to drink his beer in peace. Idiot doesn't let up, challenges the guy to fight him.
In disgust strangers leaves his drink unfinished and leaves. Butthead grabs 2 pool balls and goes after him.
30, maybe 40 seconds go by, butthead stumbles back in and collapses and leaks all over the place.
At hospital they rush the guy to surgery where he dies. He was center thrust and aorta was cut then as he was going down he took another shot to the kidney. CLASSIC KNIFE TECHNIQUE.
As for our cutter.. gone without a trace.
We write it up as clear cut self defense as far as we were concerned.

3 days later the cutter shows up WITH his attorney to talk to the detectives.
Prosecutor cleared the guy as SD.
Guy brought pool balls to a knife fight, not cheating at all.
I agree. In your example no cheating.
In mine, cheating.

Big difference in the examples.

While I do believe in Jesus Christ and what he teaches,
I also agree with Darwin's law, which is shown in
your example.
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Old 09-01-2019, 12:48 PM
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Unless you are in a judged competition with rules, all fighting is dirty.
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Old 09-01-2019, 12:58 PM
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Unless you are in a judged competition with rules, all fighting is dirty.
It's the last resort when all else fails and are out of options except one...defending yourself.
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Old 09-18-2019, 02:32 PM
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That.

I have fought guys who couldn't fight but talked a big game. And went a bit over the top through fear.

And to see a person on the ground screaming and crying and having everyone look at you like you are some kind of monster isn't very nice. And from my opinion isn't very cool.

So I am not a big fan of fighting to destroy people and I avoid it when I can. Because it really does put scars on your soul.
Ive never been one to pick a fight but didn't really avoid them in my younger days.

However, if forced into a fight, especially now that I'm older, I do go into it looking to destroy that person(s). I don't particularly care what anyone standing by watching thinks. That's my mindset. Hurt the other guy before he hurts you and be SURE they no longer want to fight.

Years ago I got into it with a much bigger man who was strong as hell but didn't really know how to fight. I ended up on top just hammering away and thought he was done. I got up off him and he grabbed my leg, brought me down and ended up stomping the **** out of me. Broken cheekbone, nose wrecked, and lost several teeth. Lucky I wasn't killed.

All because I felt kinda bad for him.

Ive not made that mistake since. Destroy them. Again, I'm not looking for fights, I'm not a billy bad ass, and if given the opportunity will walk away if allowed to do so but force me into it and I'm going to ensure you are no longer a threat to me. By fair means or foul.
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Sheriff "Little Bill" Daggett: You just shot an unarmed man!
Bill Munny: Well, he should have armed himself if he's going to decorate his saloon with my friend.
Same concept. If he didn't want his teeth kicked in, I guess he shouldn't have followed me outside to start a fight. I wouldn't ever take a mans money. Maybe his ID to have his info, but not his money.


There always has to be a consequence to an action. Make sure it's your consequence, not theirs. By theirs, I mean that you allow whatever it is they are doing to continue.
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Most people in the US are so fat that the biggest danger from a fight is a heart attack. Nothing funnier than watching two fat guys swing for thirty seconds and then spend the next five minutes with their hands on their knees as they gasp for air. Or maybe they had been in so many fights that the bones in their hands had morphed into some kind of superhuman smacking machine so they didn't want to risk killing a foe with a single blow, or some such BS.
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