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Old 02-23-2020, 07:50 AM
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The rumor is the plant in NY is going to close.
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Old 02-23-2020, 09:04 AM
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After Remington bought H&R and Marlin and defiled the later, and stop making the former
I had a big problem with Cerberus / Remingtom
I have never owned a Remington made anything
All my Marlins were JMs not Remlins
I respect the 700 action
It has been proven
But otherwise, what a ****-hole company
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After Remington bought H&R and Marlin and defiled the later, and stop making the former
I had a big problem with Cerberus / Remingtom
I have never owned a Remington made anything
All my Marlins were JMs not Remlins
I respect the 700 action
It has been proven
But otherwise, what a ****-hole company
It didn't used to be.
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Old 02-23-2020, 09:22 AM
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100% agree
Cerberus = fail
Even though I use 500 shotgun receivers,
870 shotguns were respectable
And, again, the proven beyond any doubt, 700 actions
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Remington bought some companies that weren't doing well. Then instead of helping these companies stay alive. Killed them. Its the nature of business. I personally think remington sucks. But thats just me. If you are looking for a bushmaster AR get a windam. Made in the same old plant in Maine with the same tooling. Want an H&R, used market has plenty. Looking for a marlin in 3030. again the used market is where its at. There are also companies that make better firearms that could use your support. One day remington wont be around either.
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The rumor is the plant in NY is going to close.
And none too soon. I've been in it - in the 1980s. It was outmoded even then. And there's the union. How they got saddled with a United Mine Workers local is a story I'd like to read.

That aside, the competition from every Tom, D.ick and Harry in the AR market is impossible for a company with Remington's overhead. Same reason Colt gave it up.

For myself I could care less. "Modern sporting rifles" hold no appeal for me anyway. I have a 1960's 700 that is a fine rifle. I have a couple of pre-WW1 #4 solid-frame rolling blocks that are fine little rifles. I have several bricks of Thunderduds that I'm too ethical to even give away. I have all the Marlins I need, and if I ever wanted another the used marketplace is full of good ones. (Although good Model 39s are a bit pricey.)
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Colt brought a lot of its issues upon itself.
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Doesn't seem to make much business sense to close down AR factories when AR sales are booming.
Sales are booming but there's lots of competition.

More and more are finishing their own receivers instead of buying complete guns.

I suspect it's more about profit margins than politics.
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Colt brought a lot of its issues upon itself.
Absolutely. And so has Remington.
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Remington has always been subsidized by the government, clear back to the Civil War era. If you follow the money, it's always been a government shop.

I have always preferred Mauser and Savage products to the Remington bolt action guns, and I do keep the occasional Ruger rifle....
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Remington used to make fine guns. My two Rem 870 shotguns work great.
But I have noticed that as they expanded their business, their quality has slipped.

Damn shame really.

I'll keep my Wingmasters, and perhaps they will get their **** together some day.

Edit, I should mention that I bought my 12ga Wingmaster in 1990, and my 20ga in 2006.
I have not purchased anything new from Rem or Marlin since.
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Could it be that maybe, just maybe, Remington closed those divisions because they were a financial black hole in the Remington
checkbook and they shut them down in order to save their financial life?
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Maybe one day Big Green will make a healthy return, like S&W did after their Bangor Punta days back in the 70's & 80's. One can hope.
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I had my doubts about the motives of the individual who was buying up major gun brands.. you could probably look bad to threads ive made years ago and find me saying it.. so my thoughts on it were clear back then

but, there are better made products out there anyway, i have no reason to buy anything remington anyway when i can always find better elsewhere
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Let me get this straight. In a Capitalistic Society, OP takes umbrage that Remington is presumably cutting their losses? May as well go Central Planning and FORCE them to sell what WE want.
I am more angsty about tapco mags no longer being unavailable than anything else. I am mainly VERY concerned that gun manufacturers are shutting down at this time, during this election cycle.

If it was just a business decision, then go on and make that money. But if it was more nefarious reasons, such as cutting down on the number of manufacturers and then buying them to shut them down, then I take umbrage with that.

I'm just guessing at this point, just wanted people to be aware of what was happening.
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One door closes, another door opens

I'm sure their reasons are financial, if they make the wrong decisions, it's their own damn fault

There's plenty of competition out there and Remington is not the only game in town so to say

If the conglomerate faces a downfall it's actually a good thing IMO, it leaves room for others to prosper
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but, there are better made products out there anyway, i have no reason to buy anything remington anyway when i can always find better elsewhere
There was a point in time when Ruger and Savage were considered as Tier 2 firearms. This is what happens when accountants run the company as Colt and Remington have learned.

I was skeptical when Cerebus acquired Remington. Typical investment firm; bleed it dry then dump it. Mission accomplished.
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It's funny that so many people are outraged when companies like springfield & IWI start making AR's cause they have determined the market is over saturated with AR manufacturers but then many of the same people are also outraged when other companies stop making them cause they say they aren't profitable in the current market.
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It's funny that so many people are outraged when companies like springfield & IWI start making AR's cause they have determined the market is over saturated with AR manufacturers but then many of the same people are also outraged when other companies stop making them cause they say they aren't profitable in the current market.
There is a certain irony, isn't there?

This why I sometimes say that gun owners will never be happy. They will always find something to complain about.
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There was a point in time when Ruger and Savage were considered as Tier 2 firearms. This is what happens when accountants run the company as Colt and Remington have learned.

I was skeptical when Cerebus acquired Remington. Typical investment firm; bleed it dry then dump it. Mission accomplished.
I remember those days. First new gun I got was a savage model 111 hunter package. Pre accutrigger and stock. Back then you could hardly give them away, now theyíve got Remington beat IMHO. Other than the 700s aftermarket, they donít have anything going for them. I can easily purchase whatever High end rings and bases I want for a model 10 FCP, as well as barrels and stocks. Thatís really all there is to a precision bolt gun, other than truing the action of course. And it would still be cheaper and more accurate than a model 700.

Ruger also hit a home run with their American series too, especially with offering tan/OD stocks, threaded barrels, and STANAG mag options for 556/300bo. I shoot my American rimfire with a suppressor more than I do any of my other guns to be honest. Fun and accurate to about 100yd
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