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Stoneman Douglas was warned about safety 10 years ago, former teacher says

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...Richard Mendelson, who taught psychology and served on the school’s safety committee, said he voiced concerns 10 years ago about the layout of the newly constructed three-story freshman building, the quality of its walls, the ease at which the door windows could be broken and the inability to lock doors from inside.

Now Mendelson, a Keiser University professor who is also running for a seat on the School Board, filed a lawsuit against the school district seeking to get copies of emails he says he sent in fall 2008 addressing those concerns...
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Hope he has his own copies. I'd be willin' to bet that they'll say they have no record and call him a liar. It'd be even better if he'd cc'd them to law enforcement, but that's probably too much to hope for.

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Hope he has his own copies. I'd be willin' to bet that they'll say they have no record and call him a liar. It'd be even better if he'd cc'd them to law enforcement, but that's probably too much to hope for.
Why just stop at calling him a liar? From the same article:

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...In December 2017, retired Secret Service agent Steve Wexler warned administrators the school could be vulnerable to a gunman...
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server wipes are as common now as courthouse fires used to be; where inconvenient records are kept.
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server wipes are as common now as courthouse fires used to be; where inconvenient records are kept.
"The dog ate my hard drive..."
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I warn that 99.999% of schools and most other public places are vulnerable as well. In other news, water is wet.
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I warn that 99.999% of schools and most other public places are vulnerable as well. In other news, water is wet.
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I wonder how David Hogg will respond?
David who?

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There are many shining examples of incompetence


Yet they all want to blame the gun

They will never look for cause just fixate on the tool used


It's like the wolves keep getting into the chicken coup so their answer is to blame the chickens and take them away
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I'm on the safety committee for our fairly large school district.
  • Teachers don't always live or think in reality.
  • Schools have limited money to spend on security.
  • There is always one teacher and one parent with diagonosable paranoia who demands that millions of dollars be spent on over the top security measures and they are always freaking out that nobody is listening to them.

I'm frankly unimpressed that some psychology teacher complained about security 10 years ago.

We spend a lot of time on safety measures that will never work. The truth is that a crazy person who is 100% focused on hurting kids in a school will find a way in. Without building a prison, we won't keep the bad guy out if he is motivated enough to get in.

We need put some energy into slowing him down and identifying him before he's inside. But we're failing to do a satisfactory job of planning our response once he's inside.
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Just the simple act of locking all doors and having a single point entry will go a long way and cost nothing. Doors in remote locations with no one around should be chained as well. That was going on when I was in highschool in the 60's. It ain't rocket science.

Until that is done there should be no further hand wringing or conversations on school security.
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We need put some energy into slowing him down
All of which will be rendered ineffective by the students themselves. They will put duct tape over the lock or stick something in to keep it from shutting all the way so they can reenter main campus from one of the out buildings without having to walk all the way around to the main entrance to be buzzed back in by the receptionist.

(from the maintenance guy at a medium sized high school who spends a good bit of his day re-securing external doors.)
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Just the simple act of locking all doors and having a single point entry will go a long way and cost nothing.
Agreed.

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Doors in remote locations with no one around should be chained as well. That was going on when I was in highschool in the 60's. It ain't rocket science.
50 years later, we've discovered something even better than unnecessarily placing lives at risk.



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Until that is done there should be no further hand wringing or conversations on school security.
Ceasing dialogue until you get your way? Really?
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Agreed.



50 years later, we've discovered something even better than unnecessarily placing lives at risk.





Ceasing dialogue until you get your way? Really?
Thanks! How come you got no thanks button?

On my last comment, I was basically saying do what you can now and stop whining. There's too much of that, including demonizimg the 2A..
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Security is expensive, the N R A will evaluate any school, and show how to make it safe.. This really costs a lot. Waite, an 800 call is free so is the evolution !!!
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Just the simple act of locking all doors and having a single point entry will go a long way and cost nothing. Doors in remote locations with no one around should be chained as well. That was going on when I was in highschool in the 60's. It ain't rocket science.

Until that is done there should be no further hand wringing or conversations on school security.
Fire codes.
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Fire codes.
Not if there are already adequate fire exits. I did say remote on the chains. And locked doors can be exited form the enterior, but prevent entry from the exterior..
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Just the simple act of locking all doors and having a single point entry will go a long way and cost nothing. Doors in remote locations with no one around should be chained as well. That was going on when I was in highschool in the 60's. It ain't rocket science.

Until that is done there should be no further hand wringing or conversations on school security.
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Fire codes.
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Not if there are already adequate fire exits. I did say remote on the chains. And locked doors can be exited form the enterior, but prevent entry from the exterior..
Some jurisdictions will allow you to mark some doors with "not an exit" signs. But most will not allow this unless a door exits into a courtyard or other area where a person could be trapped. It would be unusual for a fire inspector to allow any door to the outside to be chained or locked in a way that would prevent someone from simply walking up to the door and pushing it open to get out in a fire.

But all of this is moot. If someone really, really wants to get into a school - even if its all locked up with guards at every door, they will steal a bulldozer and come in anyway.

We will never keep the bad guys out! We need to plan for what we do once they are inside.
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Not if there are already adequate fire exits.
There aren't

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And locked doors can be exited form the enterior,
Not if they are chained.
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Should have had safety buckets.

https://downtrend.com/71superb/michi...afety-buckets/
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