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If this topic is running in another thread, I apologize for not finding it. According to Fox News an Academy Sports Store manager was fired because he violated store policy by stopping a shoplifter who was attempting to steal firearm(s):
http://www.foxnews.com/us/2018/07/11...wyer-says.html

Being that Academy's policy is to not detain individuals involved with shoplifting, would Academy Sports be liable and responsible for the shooting death of an individual by the thief had the manager not stopped the thief from leaving the store with the firearm(s)?
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I put this in another thread but it deserves its own. Thanks!

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The policy is in place because Academy Sports can't be held liable for the criminal use of a stolen item (any more than a private citizen could be held liable), but they can be held liable for damages to the thief, a bystander, or their employee if something goes wrong with a citizens arrest.

Personally, I'd like the litigation to get scaled back and the manager or employees be given much more leeway in confronting and stopping theft. The robber could have easily and justifiably been shot for taking a gun and ammunition.

But lawsuits are the driving force. Had the manager been shot by the suspect, the manager would probably sue the store for damages even though he was "being a hero". So we end up with these sorts of corporate policies.
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We dont have Academys here but I see no need for a boycott over this issue.

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I agree. Why boycott? The store manager chose to break store policy and they fired him end of story. You might not agree with the store's policy but their store their policy.
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Academy is advertising free guns, just walk in, select your free firearm, and walk out. Nobody will stop you.
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Academy is advertising free guns, just walk in, select your free firearm, and walk out. Nobody will stop you.
If you bring your own ammo or magazines, most other places that let you handle them would have free guns too. The thief's problem was he stole the ammunition separately.
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Boycott? Call it what you like, but I vote with my pocket book. If they lose business because people don't agree with their "policy", too bad.

They could have reprimanded the manager in other ways. Like giving him a medal.
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It was store policy before the theft and they have insurance against the theft.

A civil suit is quite costly in comparison

If they suddenly change policy for this one manager, then potentially other previous employees could come back to sue

It's best to fire him, then rehire him at a later date if they so choose!


You guys quit using your emotions in these matters, you act like liberals.....
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There's right, there's wrong and there's "policy".

Who's the liberal again?
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They also have a no questions asked return policy as long as you have a receipt. I returned fishing rods with broken tips that were obviously my fault. I returned a marine radio and speakers that I bought 2 years ago that I was going to install in a Jeep that I sold off. You can't get that kind of service anywhere any more. I will keep shopping there.
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My wife is a lawyer who counsels clients on exactly this kind of situation from time to time. As implied above, it's almost all about avoiding liability from civil lawsuits. Sometimes the perp gets hurt, and so the sue the store. Sometimes it's not a theft and so the store gets sued. Sometimes the perp is just sitting around at home or in prison with nothing to do, and so sues the store to hit the lottery.

Just another way our warped society has all these costs built in because the citizenry is neither principled nor moral.

We have a lot of work to do.
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I just picked up some kydex at academy and some guys were standing around talking about it with the gun salesman.

Apparently the guy has gotten a lot of job offers already.
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Their business, their policies. He broke a rule, regardless of how right or wrong it may be... he got fired. He was a store manager. He's intelligent enough to know the outcome of doing this. He did it of his own free will and I commend him. I couldn't in good conscience let someone walk out either knowing full well it would be used in another bad deed.

Academy has liability issues to worry about, so you can't blame them. Blame the system that prevents them from doing the right thing. Luckily, one man did the right thing, even though there was a negative consequence.
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There's right, there's wrong and there's "policy".
What both manager and company did were the the right thing to do. Without underwriting insurance the company fails. Academy isn't going to throw many thousands out of work and close a 75 year old 300 store company so they can defend their manager. The manager wasn't going to let a gun wander out into the general public without vetting. I'm sure both parties understood this.

I'm pretty sure that Academy HR made some calls for him too. Academy is a well grounded company that has withstood the various monster sport store attacks on its territory and survived while the others consolidate and go under.

The fault doesn't lie with Academy. It lies with the litigious system. It lies with underwriting companies having complete veto power over corporate decisions. If someone robs your home and you shoot them, the family of the deceased may sue. Unless you are willing to take the entirety of risk of any judgment and legal fees on yourself then your homeowner insurance may settle with the plaintiff against your wishes and then jack up your rates as a result. You aren't given a choice in the matter. Try telling an insurance company what to do. Try telling the bank that owns your note you won't accept the insurance rules. The bank and the insurance company will tell you to go pound sand or surrender your home as a default.

Academy is one of the best companies there is. Good customer policies and good products. Workers like working there. They have good Southern values and conservative creeds about doing business. If you have one in town you'll ignore those mall sized super sports stores.

But they were as trapped here as the manager was. Of course he'll get a new job. Academy will help him get one. He'll be a senior manager at Target or Home Depot by Christmas. Don't let the press and internet sensationalize your opinions on this.
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It was store policy before the theft and they have insurance against the theft.

A civil suit is quite costly in comparison

If they suddenly change policy for this one manager, then potentially other previous employees could come back to sue

It's best to fire him, then rehire him at a later date if they so choose!


You guys quit using your emotions in these matters, you act like liberals.....
They have a right to do it and a superficial financial incentive. Doesn't mean I have to agree with them or shop there. I like to shop with people who show strong shared principles. So do most people in Academy's market. If they were smart they'd give the guy a medal and brag about him. It would bring in additional revenue to offset any hypothetical lawsuit.
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They didn't HAVE to fire him for breaking a store policy. They could have punished him with a week off (with pay of course), and told him not to do it again. How many people did he stop that thief from killing by stopping him? That is an unanswerable question, I know.
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I think Academy is a great store, but they should have found a way to overlook this.
Give the manager 2 weeks off in Hawaii while investigating, then make him watch a video extolling the virtues of being a doormat for criminals and then return him to work.
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I think Academy is a great store, but they should have found a way to overlook this.
Give the manager 2 weeks off in Hawaii while investigating, then make him watch a video extolling the virtues of being a doormat for criminals and then return him to work.
I agree but when it hits the news it's kbye for any internal reprimand even though it should be applauded.

The Academy gun salesman I talked to today agreed with what the guy did.

He will find a sweet job after this.
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It would bring in additional revenue to offset any hypothetical lawsuit.
You can't wait for it to play out. The underwriters called the moment they found out and said ditch the guy. If they threaten to pull the insurance the company rating on Dun and Bradstreet plummets, credit dries up, the bank demands a ton more interest for the payroll cash flow, HR is told to stop new hires, etc, etc.

Unless the company of 300 stores immediately shifts to an all cash policy within a day then their business goes into a tailspin.

Underwriters can tell you to do anything legal and you have no choice but comply.

It was the manager or the company. It's that simple. What do you think the board did? They chose to not shoot the company in the head.
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