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Dems take power and outlaw semi-auto...are you CCW prepared?

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#1 ·
It is not far fetched. All you have to do is look at their failed legislation for a preview of their game plan. In some states they have already proposed to outlaw any gun that can hold over 5 rounds, outlaw semi-auto guns, etc.

For me I already have a number of snubs. My belly belt can hold 2 snubs and I always have snub in the car right next to me. If winter I will throw another on in my hoody pocket. So have 15 to 20 shots handy.

I never counted them all as they are spread out all over. Maybe have 9-12 snubs. If I could not carry semi-auto, I'd carry a few snubs and use them as disposables. I can also carry a couple of 6 shooters in my shoulder bag with speed loaders. Right now I carry a G19 in it with a few large cap mags. So quite a downsizing going to revolvers, but still better than nothing.

And this may never come to pass, but at least I have some options. If Biden gets his wish, his goal is to only allow single shot! I'm not prepped for that. I got rid of all my muzzle loaders decades ago.
 

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#2 ·
Why would I stop carrying my Glock 17?

If anything, Im likely to need it more than ever. :thumb:

The whole point of your License to Carry permit, and it is a "permit", a "learners permit", is learning to carry the gun on the sly, for when you will need it most, when they tell you "you cant" have or carry it. ;)
 
#4 ·
A Heinlein quote that matters.


“I am free, no matter what rules surround me. If I find them tolerable, I tolerate them; if I find them too obnoxious, I break them. I am free because I know that I alone am morally responsible for everything I do.”

Empty the jails
Fail to prosecute criminals
No more bail, arrest and release
disarm the citizenry
etc, etc, etc.

Just what part of giving up your capable arms makes sense?
 
#10 ·
This!

The socialists have a very long history of gun bans and confiscations when they size power. But...even in some of the more socialist places, they 'let' the people have some guns. Bolt action .22's, single and double break open shotguns. Maybe, if you have some connections with the central committee, a handgun.

In spite of the raging screaming liberal Dems like Shumer, I just don't think we will see a gun ban. Just too many of them. I do think a 'scaling back' by the semi autos getting the short end will happen. A limiting of the type of ownership of the larger capacity rifles and handguns. If they try to ban guns in general, I do thing we will see some real violence, and maybe the second civil war over the second Amendment. So be it. Even though I don't even own a semi auto anything, I'll fight for the right of gun ownership.

Its only an accident of fate that all my guns are revolvers and lever actions. Just too many TV westerns growing up in the '50's. I'm very well armed by 1890's standard. But then I still carry a pocket watch on a chain.
 
#7 ·
The best preparation against new gun laws banning handguns and semi auto rifles, is to buy a couple extra, and move out of blue states and away from big cities. Some members here have bought large numbers of pistols as an investment, but holding them, and finding buyers will be a challenge. Kinda the same challenge raised when holding gold, when after the US Dollar collapses.

I am pretty sure a federal ban on handguns and semi auto rifles would trigger massive outrage, and perhaps widespread violence.
 
#12 ·
I am pretty sure a federal ban on handguns and semi auto rifles would trigger massive outrage, and perhaps widespread violence.
and would likely be unsuccessful in Congress and/or the Courts, at least given the current makeup.

however, sniping around the edges could likely be more successful. normally, i would have thought a magazine capacity law would be successful, but i was simply surprised that the 9th circuit struck one down. logic would imply some sort of ammo reg may also fall.

so...I would offer up the tax as the club for the liberals. tax firearm purchases, magazine purchases and ammo purchases. in general, i would think a tax is much harder to argue against and it could still reach the same effect of reducing ownership

passing laws mandating insurance if you own a firearm or carry one

storage laws

transfer/sell laws

establishing a federal civil cause of action for violating any firearm regs

not as sexy as bans, but just as dangerous
 
#8 ·
Who said we would ask permission?
 
#28 ·
A neighbor of mine went into renew and was told he would have to take the training. He said I'll just take my chances and stalked out. I just never went in. I've never been frisked and a .380 tucks away neatly but an easily be transferred from pocket to IWB if open carry pretense is necessary.
 
#30 ·
Not many will comply and that is why they will outlaw ownership, NOT CONFISCATE THEM. They will simply outlaw you shooting them, owning ammo for them and passing them on to your kin.

If it happens, it is time to use them. Not some BS about losing them in the lake or other jive BS. TIME to start making political statements, with the heads of politicians and the bueacrats who heel to them.
 
#31 ·
..If it happens, it is time to use them. ...TIME to start making political statements, with the heads of politicians and the bueacrats who heel to them.
THIS. Yup, 'strike the Shepherds' (or, in this context, Diabolical Puppeticians and their MSMinions..) and the flocks (roaches) will scatter.. 'Statements' of Zero Tolerance / Zero Compromise, will Need to be Made. They ALL 'took Oaths', relative to the Constitution, to-which They are Also subject-to, and if they're Not going to - or worse, work Against it - then they Must Go. 'BAMN'.

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jd
 
#33 ·
if you are looking for an excuse to purchase a purty wheel gun..then yeah (grin)
and yes, there is a lil Smith snubby in my tool box.

but new politicians will have to rassle with Scotus recent rulings on type of firearms..so while some locals might impose bans...just stay calm and ride it out....

in the meantime..yeah, having a carry piece option in a wheel gun or 10rd limit is a prudent plan based on historic law (Clinton era ban , etc)

I'm a long time 1911 guy, so round count has never been an issue and even in some of the tupperware I have on hand, we have a 10rd mag option and the 14s and 17s can stay home.

my actual "battle guns" have no design for 10rd limits and if those have to come out to play then round count, platform features ban aren't going to be the issue anyway.
 
#36 ·
[beating dead horse flag on]
Please go read the law. Verify that it only applies to "persons" and not the "sovereign people" who have the endowed right to life, and therefore the right to bear arms in defense of that right.
. . .
He who consents cannot object.
Sit down, shut up, pay and obey.
 
#37 ·
People who have rights, do not need permission (license).
People who have no rights, need permission.
LICENSE - The permission by competent authority to do an act which, without such permission, would be illegal, a trespass, a tort, or otherwise not allowable.
- - - Black’s Law Dictionary, Sixth Ed. P. 920


“... at the Revolution, the sovereignty devolved on the people, and they are truly the sovereigns of the country, but they are sovereigns without subjects, and have none to govern but themselves.

“... In Europe, the sovereignty is generally ascribed to the Prince; here, it rests with the people; there, the sovereign actually administers the government; here, never in a single instance; our Governors are the agents of the [sovereign] people, and, at most, stand in the same relation to their sovereign in which regents in Europe stand to their sovereigns."
- - - Justice John Jay in Chisholm v. Georgia (2 U.S. 419 (1793))
https://www.law.cornell.edu/supremecourt/text/2/419#writing-USSC_CR_0002_0419_Z

If "servant government" claims to be YOUR boss, you may need to reconsider your option to WITHDRAW CONSENT.
I think Americans would rather prefer to be "Sovereigns without subjects" than meek subjects begging for permission from "Big Brother."


Even if you're not ready to pull off the bandage, writing many letters to "your" servants informing them to shape up or YOU WILL CEASE CONSENTING may be enough to scare the crap out of them. The law is clear - without your consent - government implodes / shrinks. NO endowed right is taxable. NO sovereign is ruled / regulated. NO Private property is taxed / condemned nor taken for public use without JUST COMPENSATION (in lawful money - the stuff not seen since 1933).
 
#40 ·
Because they make the rules and they apply them as they see fit.

The vow thing is a joke, and in a number of ways. People always throw that around like it means something, and yet here we are.

The only time it will be important, is when they want it as a tool to use it against you in their courts.
 
#41 ·
I love wheel guns all the time, if I had to carry one I would go with my worked over Smith model 627. 8 shots of .357 Magnum that can be reloaded with moon clips as fast as a 1911 of the same capacity makes for a hell of a fighting gun.

My 4" Smith 627 is also the most mechanically accurate pistol I own, at 25 and 50 yards it makes many modern striker fired polymer guns look like Ray Charles was shooting them by comparison.
 
#42 ·
Outside of possessing low round count, non-semi automatic "hunting" rifles, shotguns (and hand guns?), in the event of unlikely and futile confiscation attempts,

IMO, there should be 3 levels of a secured cache (obviously, this can include protective and other essential items).

1) The "plain view" cache is comprised of trusted persons. This cache would be the gun cabinet, safe or storage unit on premises. To include, matching ammo and some "give-aways." Any non-matching units, ammo or accessories should go to the second or third cache.

2) The "community" cache. This is an off-site cache that a select few and trusted persons know of. Possibly the largest cache, enough to arm a squad or militia. The location and the logistics of the cache should be unable to be observed by satellite, aircraft or other surveillance. No cell phones or tech en-route to, or at, this location. Keep in mind that dogs have an incredible sense of smell.


3) The "private or personal" cache. This cache location and it's contents are known only to one person (possibly the smallest cache with an appropriate amount of ammunition). Should the few that know of the second cache be questioned, interrogated or compromised, the location of this cache and it's contents stand good chance of remaining secure. Identical location and access protocols as the second cache.

I find it a loss, until news of a confiscation event, to mothball these lovely items. I do however, have a contingency in place.

This actually plagiarism, I saw a you tube video just before the 2016 election.
 
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