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This is going to sound crazy, I watch a lot of "street" fight video's. No, that is not how I learned to fight. I do it as part of my fight training, just to watch movements. Any time someone can pull of a clean throw or hold move, they usually come out ahead. Especially those with specific fight training.
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This is going to sound crazy, I watch a lot of "street" fight video's. No, that is not how I learned to fight. I do it as part of my fight training, just to watch movements. Any time someone can pull of a clean throw or hold move, they usually come out ahead. Especially those with specific fight training.
If you manage to nail a clean throw most untrained people are going to be bruised and winded at the least. Also you end up in a dominant position so it gives you the ability to take the mount, ground and pound, stomp, armlock or whatever.

If you're untrained and you end up on your back with the wind knocked out of you whilst being punched in the face, it's pretty much game over.
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A simple osoto gari setup that could be used on the street.

https://youtu.be/99TfKozouTM
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A very simple o uchi gari foot sweep setup.

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There certainly is a difference between a throw vs a takedown. A good throw involves air time and ballistic power. A good setup, good movement, and strength can facilitate more ballistic power, like stepping up in calibers.

As my instructor says, unlike a punch, "The ground never misses."
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There certainly is a difference between a throw vs a takedown. A good throw involves air time and ballistic power. A good setup, good movement, and strength can facilitate more ballistic power, like stepping up in calibers.

As my instructor says, unlike a punch, "The ground never misses."
Using a throw vs a takedown is a bit of a compromise both ways.

A lot of wrestling & bjj takedowns are higher percentage at getting the person to the ground especially against a trained opponant. That's why they are seen more in mma fights. What they gain in ease of use, however, they lose in power. They are primarily used to take the fight to the ground where the user hopes to gain an advantage.

Classical jujitsu or judo throws are more technical and harder to pull off against a trained opponant, but like you say, have a more powerful impact. Also they have the advantage of keeping you on your feet which is fundamental in a self defense situation.
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BJJ is behind the other two, wrestling and judo have similar skill sets for throws, trips sweeps. You see them used less often in wrestling as you say as they are harder to execute without the grip of a gi, also means you follow your opponent down to maintain top scoring position. Judo's throws can certainly look cleaner as they get better rotation with the gi.

Judo guys can name these wrestling moves in japanese?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w1TqavITRo8

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3:13 Attempted sweep kick, kickover counter
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highest impact throws of all styles are probably static lifts and slams.. you get the guy 5ft up in the air and on untrained opponent can basically stop and choose whether to drop him on back or spear his neck into surface of choice. These require more strength, so not all rounder options.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w1TqavITRo8
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The two simple judo throws I teach new people for self defense are uki goshi, and Osoto Otoshi. I tell them it is as simple as taking a step or two, but first you MUST break their balance. Break something, then build something. Break their balance, step and build a strong foundation to throw them over.

Not the most dynamic of judo throws but I have a lot of field experience using them. It gives them a solid forward and back throw to respond to being pushed or pulled, and is simple to execute. A lot can be done with two simple throws, if the student takes the time to study set ups and does realistic practice.
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The two simple judo throws I teach new people for self defense are uki goshi, and Osoto Otoshi. I tell them it is as simple as taking a step or two, but first you MUST break their balance. Break something, then build something. Break their balance, step and build a strong foundation to throw them over.

Not the most dynamic of judo throws but I have a lot of field experience using them. It gives them a solid forward and back throw to respond to being pushed or pulled, and is simple to execute. A lot can be done with two simple throws, if the student takes the time to study set ups and does realistic practice.
Uki goshi
https://youtu.be/3Fklhya3iu4

Interestingly my jujitsu instructor teaches that throw as a short lift with the hip and belt and then dump them flat on their back. Different to what's shown on youtube judo.

Osoto otoshi
https://youtu.be/tpPXqnF6hJs

This is kind of how an old krav maga teacher of mine taught osoto gari.
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This is a much better representation of floating hip throw.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zOp000UZ0eE
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Another good thing about Judo is they have a standard language and a name for most things. Wrestlings moves can vary in name across countries. US probably has the most comprehensive English system of naming but I lose track of some of the variation names. If you had russian coaches teaching a variation they would just demo it and say 'do this one' now. Oh the 'this one' move, got it.
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