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Old 08-04-2020, 04:55 PM
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Yes.

An individual, probably a neighbor in a sense, holding a garage sale to make a few bucks is different than a corporate "charity" with a huge employee network and countless resources that actually pockets most of the cash on the stuff they get....for free.
Actually they don't pocket most of the cash. The mount spent on programs
relative to overhead is 88%.

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Personally, I believe it is unethical to buy something meant to help the needy and make a profit from it, but I know nothing can be done about it. I also know that karma is real and it will most likely come around and give those people their just rewards.

That said, several years back I had a '36 Plymouth that I was considering selling and let a few people know about it. I had some friend of someone I had mentioned it to come by and take some pictures of it. A couple of days later, it was on Craig'slist for sale for twice what I was asking for it! The guy called and said he wanted it and would come over and pay for it. I told him I had changed my mind and he was livid!

Apparently he had sold the car to someone else even though it never was his.
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Brian if you ask the disability communities, those who can speak for themselves, they hate Goodwill. It is a scam to make management money. They claim most of the "hires" are incapable and pay very low wages, far less than minimum wage.

Then the "employee" takes paratransit back to the group home they share with 5 other head-bangers and do it all again the next day.

ALL of the "workshops helping disabled" are scams designed to milk the system and the "employee". Designed to make people feel good about "supporting" them even though they rape the disabled.

I am disabled, my husband is disabled, I have been in the community for over 30 years and the agencies "helping" the disabled, the workshops, the day-habs, etc. are all just scams to make management money. I do find it funny now with COVID the group homes are actually stuck with their residents. They don't get to ship them off every day like they used to.
That is sad when it happens like that. I know some disabled people here, as well and its been a mixed report on our local Goodwill stores. Some describe what you mention and others love it. Its the same in most big businesses. I worked for the big brown turd shipping company and a lot of our people were not particularly bright. The way management (and even the union) took advantage of them was disgraceful.

We prefer to go to the Goodwill Outlet store. Its where everything oddball that they can't sell in normal stores goes. It is in these big bins and you buy items by the pound. Anything over 7lbs is a flat $5 and everything else is $1.45 a lb.

We donate a lot of stuff too. I prefer to donate to this mom and pop thrift store that sells everything for $1 and 25 cents on friday. They are trying to eek out a living, and help the community by providing items at really good prices.
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My family had a big reunion back in 2009. Fancy dinner every night (cruise). So I hit the thrift shops there is a local chain (?) that had a lot of formal, plus sized clothes I would want to be seen in public. I spent more on dry cleaning than I did on the outfits. That was a huge benefit to me as my family doesn't think highly and I had attractive, form fitting clothes that showed off my curves. I also went there for a dress for a unrelated family wedding. They were great.

They hire people of dubious immigration status I think, not the slow, and as I went in over the years they didn't have anything in my size anymore. It has been hard for me to find anything over a 20 (I am a 22) at the thrift shops.
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Personally, I believe it is unethical to buy something meant to help the needy and make a profit from it, but I know nothing can be done about it. I also know that karma is real and it will most likely come around and give those people their just rewards.
I may be missing something here, but what is unethical about selling anything that you buy from Goodwill? Goodwill still gets the money whether you keep it, sell it, or burn it, or use it for ritual sacrifice. From their perspective, there is no difference. Their goal is to sell donated items to you so they can raise money. That's no different than a church rummage sale.

Goodwill does not donate anything to the needy. That's not what they do. They claim they use the proceeds to create jobs for the poor and handicapped.

If anything is unethical, it's the salaries paid to some of the execs who run the charities.
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If anything is unethical, it's the salaries paid to some of the execs who run the charities.
The Clinton Crime Family and Money Laundering Foundation comes to mind.
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We do buy and resell Goodwill stuff all the time. Weekly in fact.
I don't see the problem. Goodwill sets a price for what they want. How is that cheating them? I'm not lowballing them. I pay what they are asking. Matter of fact, around here Goodwill is probably one of the more pricey stores.
We also bid on their online site. Again, they set the opening bid and many things go up hundreds of dollars. They are getting what people are willing to pay.

We also browse thrift stores. Is that any different than Goodwill?

What is your solution? Did you think the items that are donated were given to the needy for free?

Spend $60 and make 2K...yeah..we've done that too.
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Moral issue for myself.

If I go to a garage sale and see somebody selling Grandpas Wooten desk for $50, I would tell the seller their desk has more value.

If I go to a goodwill or thrift store and see the same Wooten desk for $50, I'm buying it.
The more I think about your post the more I wonder what, exactly, is your dilemma. It shows good character that you'd tell the garage seller that Gramp's desk is worth more then his asking price. That I understand. But what is the problem if Goodwill sells something that is undervalued? It doesn't conflict with the mission statement of the organization. Who is harmed?
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What is the scam? People are paying the asking price that Goodwill asks. Goodwill gets what they want to get. The end.

If people want to make money on their items then they need to do the work to research it out, list it somewhere, ship it or meet the customer, etc. Many people don't want to do that.

Now, I used to be able to find some great books at Goodwill, for myself and to resell. Yes, evil reseller here. But Goodwill now takes all of the valuable books and sells them on Amazon so I only look for myself anymore. Sometimes I can find something decent but most of the time, not.
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O.P. Must have an issue w/ free market & capitalism. The alternative would be no opportunity to improve your standing. Would you rather exist on the dole of governance and play the food stamp game? Give Nancy P. A call she’s ready to offer you childcare when neither you or your spouse are working. Socialism only works for colonies of insects. Ever see an ant that rose above the masses? Shall I define slavery for you?
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O.P. Must have an issue w/ free market & capitalism. The alternative would be no opportunity to improve your standing. Would you rather exist on the dole of governance and play the food stamp game? Give Nancy P. A call sheís ready to offer you childcare when neither you or your spouse are working. Socialism only works for colonies of insects. Ever see an ant that rose above the masses? Shall I define slavery for you?
If improving my standing means taking advantage of others when they are down, no thanks.

We have gotten to where we are without taking advantage of anyone. In fact, we have been taken advantage of by people making money off our labor. We might not be rich but we are debt free and proud that we did it through our own labor.
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When I do a 4-store run, I may search through 2,000 to 4,000 movies.

... and then the doctor bill to get the pain out of your neck from tilting your head over 60 degrees for 4 hours.


Why do these places continue to put CD, DVD, etc on a shelf like a library book that has a card catalog number on the spine?


Oh, and then place them near a sunny glaring window. So you twist your neck 90 degrees, squint from the glare off the clear cover. Then you get a headache.


That $1 CD is worth $5 on ebay as far as I'm concerned.


It drives me crazy to go to those places and look for music and movies when they are stacked like books.


But yeah, if I give something to GW or a thrift shop they can do whatever they want with it. Burn it, sell it, retire on it. I don't care. Same when I buy. Once I pay the marked price it's mine to whatever I want with it and that includes selling it for whatever someone is willing to pay.


It's not a scam. I still say that CDs stacked on their edges is a bit sardonic though.
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That is what Goodwill is a business that employs the unemployable. Many time they make outrageous decisions. If the price it too high do not buy it or offer less.
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So it sounds to me like the robbery that's happening is you, dear taxpayer, are being robbed to pay **** & Jane what the "charity" could pay them, but don't want to. So the gov't does (you). I mean, they get the merch for FREE for Pete's sake, but can't pay min wage? Sigh.

Yes, Zooeyhll, it does seem like cheating and yet, the poor probably won't be making money off the stuff. Perhaps the point you're making is that goods (let's say, a shirt) donated with the idea that someone who can't afford it at list price could still have it, is now going to someone wealthier than the donor, therefore out of the reach of the poor. Just leaving cheap junk for the poor. Yes, that stinks and is perhaps a good reason to donate to a local charity you know, rather than the GW machine . . .

However, we often shop there (NOT to resell) and it is still fulfilling its basic function to the public: I can buy 4 decent t-shirts for what I would pay for one at list price, which is a real help to me. And the GREAT deals that are then sold for 10 times that much? Probably not the stuff I'm looking for anyway.

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If improving my standing means taking advantage of others when they are down, no thanks.

We have gotten to where we are without taking advantage of anyone. In fact, we have been taken advantage of by people making money off our labor. We might not be rich but we are debt free and proud that we did it through our own labor.
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If Goodwill employees were purposely under-pricing donations in cahoots with the eBay flippers, that would be a scam. If anyone has evidence of that, you should contact Goodwill or the Attorney General.

However, if donors are getting rid of stuff they donít want; Goodwill is getting their fair price to support their mission; flippers are finding bargains and eBay shoppers are getting what they want for what they want to pay for it... thatís not a scam. Thatís pretty much a textbook case of free enterprise at work.
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The way I see it, people benefit by donating unwanted goods to Goodwill.
Goodwill benefits by selling those goods to the public.
Some of those in the public benefit by putting in the work to acquire and market things that some value at more than Goodwill did.

So, I see it as a win-win-win. Kind of American IMHO...
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Not seeing the scam here. Or even an ethics problem.

Knowing how to sell stuff is an art form. If they pay the asking price and find a customer willing to pay that is simple capitalism.

If anything it is finding the customers who are really looking for that item instead of the majority of Goodwill shoppers who shuffle around buying stuff to shop and add to the hoard pile.
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I've never had to buy at Goodwill Industries. I have donated a few items over the years.

Last night I was talking to my brother. He said his wife's sister has made a lot of money cherry-picking items at Goodwill. And then reselling them at a huge markup on Ebay.

In fact, she (and some others) stand inline to be the first in the morning when a new shipment comes in. They buy the best items and then resell them.

She's bragging that she bought $60 worth of stuff, and has resold it for over $2000.

Is Goodwill aware of this scam? Are they taking any steps to counter it? I thought Goodwill was more of a charity, intended to help people who needed it. Am I wrong about this?

My advice---if you have something to donate, give it to a more accountable charity such as your local church. They are probably better aware whether a "recipient" is deserving of this help.

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How is this a scam ? The “scam “ maybe that goodwill needs to rethink its pricing model on some items.

Goodwill has a complex mission. Provide jobs , provide money from the sale of donated items and to some degree provide things at low prices. The problem is that if you sell things at a discount people may want them for re-sale. This helps their other two objectives so I doubt they mind. However their donors might prefer those Prada shoes went on eBay for 500 bucks and that money went to help the needy instead of selling them for 10 bucks and they go on eBay or on some homeless lady.
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If Goodwill employees were purposely under-pricing donations in cahoots with the eBay flippers, that would be a scam. If anyone has evidence of that, you should contact Goodwill or the Attorney General.

However, if donors are getting rid of stuff they don’t want; Goodwill is getting their fair price to support their mission; flippers are finding bargains and eBay shoppers are getting what they want for what they want to pay for it... that’s not a scam. That’s pretty much a textbook case of free enterprise at work.
I knew a goodwill employee who worked there for min wage JUST so she got first pick on the merch for her vintage pop up biz. This was before eBay. But she never changed the prices. She had to pay the regular price ( minus employee discount ).

I think this is a fairly common perk for employees.
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