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This is simply not true.

https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jam...rticle/2767980

I bet 6 weeks ago, you were saying that the increase in Covid19 cases was merely due to increased testing...

It's really pathetic.
I agree. It really IS pathetic. So lets all get back to business and place this nonsense behind us.
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We ain't scientists, we don't have to prove anything. What we should do is be able to support our position. I did post a link to a fairly reputable study...

What you got to support your position?
I noted in your link that one of the doctors has a "B.S." after her name. I think she's earned that title.
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=Truck Vet;20495632]Many of those who died from the China Virus were already on death's door.
Does anyone deny this?
Correct. And most would have died with or without Covid.

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Staying at home means your less likely to die in an accident.
Common sense anyone?
Less chance of dying in a car accident but greater chance of falling down in the shower or drowning in the pool or falling down the stairs. Accidents happen in and out of the home. Certainly more suicides and domestic violence and drug abuse and alcoholism and deep depression as a result of Covid.

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But how many people actually died of the flu and NOT Covid? Remember, doctors and hospitals were receiving lots of cash if they could claim that a death was a result of Covid. Lots of incentive there.
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That's also what I heard people saying, took about 15 minutes to find numbers online that contradicted those facts.

Check historical data several years back you will see a spike in total deaths for the months your state is being hit. Look hard enough and you might find numbers broken down by causes of deaths. You might see a slight decline in all the categories but not a significant amount like you think.

Here's what I posted in another thread.
https://www.survivalistboards.com/sh...=953532&page=2

Couldn't really figure out CDC website but found info for my state of NJ

https://nj.gov/health/chs/documents/...0Residence.pdf

Total deaths NJ
...........March..... April.......May.......June......July
2017___6,762___6,285___6,142___5,775___5,831
2018___6,681___6,181___5,950___5,874___6,112
2019___6,735___5,947___6,069___5,784___5,950
2020___7,953__17,856___9,512___6,204___4,462

These are total deaths, so you can easily see the spike. Doesn't matter how they classified each death the spike is there.

https://www.mdch.state.mi.us/osr/Pro...lyDxCounts.asp
This is Michigan broken down by cause of death for 2019 and 2020.

I wish things would be reported graphically, its easier for the general population to follow
What was the total increase in overall population during those time periods?

Current birth rates in the USA are outperforming total death rates. That means that the overall population of the USA has increased a great deal this year over last year. The more people there are the greater the chance of increased death rates.

Here's a link to the Birth Rate vs the Death Rate.

https://www.worldometers.info/world-population/
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Yep. Only one is true. Deaths from most other causes have fallen due to a safer, less stressful overall lifestyle.

Covid however is so bad it has more than compensated for that and is being undercounted, leaving thousands of more people dead while known, non-covid causes of death is still down.

Alternatively, there is a non-covid, non-reported killer at play in addition to everything else. Which is not so far fetched. Several deadly historical diseases spread in secret for years before any outcry was raised.
Not sure how life can be less stressful when:

1) The cost of living is increasing.
2) Rioting and mayhem are on the rise.
3) 30 to 40 million people are unemployed as a result of Fauci, WHO, and CDC.
4) People's Constitutional liberties are under direct attack.
5) People are going stir-crazy as a result of forced, home incarceration.
6) Store shelves are often void of several of life's necessities (meat, toilet tissue, hand sanitizer, etc.)

I can't speak for anyone else but my stress level hasn't been this high for decades.
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Hi AJ...wow..this group!

but I get your point.

in fact when I saw the thread title, my mind instantly went to a slightly different take on things.

1) Income - I've been very fortunate that my day job has held - and the benefit has been that I have been able to work from home 100%..This means I've not had the hour long daily commute, the near death experiences on the interstate (almost daily), the savings in fuel and milage on the car, etc.
2)Recreational health- Our property includes a dozen acres, woods, trails along the creek, a 1.5 acre pond for fishing, an inground pool, ATVs , a large backdeck.
The adult kids and grands have been able to come over and enjoy all this, during times when the govt had shut down pools, gymns, parks even,
We have a private marina membership so when the governors shut down public boat ramps, we could still get out on the lake.

Basically, our quality of life has been better.

That said, I recognize that the bill will come due for the nation/world as a whole and it won't be pretty.

We also have small side businesses, both the wife and myself, that are part of our longer term retirement years strategies..both of those have been shuttered this year...means about a $30k dip in our home income - but both businesses are debt free and we don't currently depend on them for income..
so if things can get back to even semi-normal in 2021, then we will regain our market footprint.
so, yes, to your OP - our life (short term) has improved during this "down time"
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Hi AJ...wow..this group!

but I get your point.

in fact when I saw the thread title, my mind instantly went to a slightly different take on things.

1) Income - I've been very fortunate that my day job has held - and the benefit has been that I have been able to work from home 100%..This means I've not had the hour long daily commute, the near death experiences on the interstate (almost daily), the savings in fuel and milage on the car, etc.
2)Recreational health- Our property includes a dozen acres, woods, trails along the creek, a 1.5 acre pond for fishing, an inground pool, ATVs , a large backdeck.
The adult kids and grands have been able to come over and enjoy all this, during times when the govt had shut down pools, gymns, parks even,
We have a private marina membership so when the governors shut down public boat ramps, we could still get out on the lake.

Basically, our quality of life has been better.

That said, I recognize that the bill will come due for the nation/world as a whole and it won't be pretty.

We also have small side businesses, both the wife and myself, that are part of our longer term retirement years strategies..both of those have been shuttered this year...means about a $30k dip in our home income - but both businesses are debt free and we don't currently depend on them for income..
so if things can get back to even semi-normal in 2021, then we will regain our market footprint.
so, yes, to your OP - our life (short term) has improved during this "down time"
You're one of the very, very few fortunate ones. I'm speaking of the mass majority. The poverty-stricken people; the aged; and the blue collar folks who still have to scrape by to make ends meet.
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Yep. Only one is true. Deaths from most other causes have fallen due to a safer, less stressful overall lifestyle.
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You are insane.

TPTB and media have people scared out of their minds. By design.

Job loss.
Evictions.
Fear of infection.
Empty shelves in the stores.
24/7/365 constant media drum beat: cases, cases, cases, deaths, deaths, deaths.
blm and antifa riots, arson, destruction.
Record firearms sales.
Ammo shortages.
Fights in stores over a package of TP.

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Deaths from other causes have fallen because EVERYTHING is now a covid death. Gunshot deaths, car accident deaths, suicides ... TPTB is being called out on their BS.

https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/202...ity-reporting/

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Good band ... horrible argument!
Ok; So how is this.

Are you trying to rationalize "going back to normal"? If so, the accident rates will indeed rise, accordingly AND the COVID19 death rates will rise. So if that is the argument you are proposing, it will be a fail.

"survival" of COVID 19 is not all that pleasant. A woman who recently survived has blood clots in her hands, both will have to be amputated.

I had simple pneumonia once and it was like death warmed over. I have a problem with a heart valve to this day as a result.
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Ok; So how is this.

Are you trying to rationalize "going back to normal"? If so, the accident rates will indeed rise, accordingly AND the COVID19 death rates will rise. So if that is the argument you are proposing, it will be a fail.

"survival" of COVID 19 is not all that pleasant. A woman who recently survived has blood clots in her hands, both will have to be amputated.

I had simple pneumonia once and it was like death warmed over. I have a problem with a heart valve to this day as a result.
Of the 200 or so testimonies I've read, the vast majority of "Covid survivors" either felt nothing; almost nothing; or mild symptoms. From the testimonies I've read, the London Flu I had as a kid was WAY worse than the Chinese Cold is.

As for rising auto accidents? I'd rather have the freedom to die in a car crash than have some 1984-style government controlling my every move.
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Are you trying to rationalize "going back to normal"?
Are you trying to establish a 'new' normal?
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As for rising auto accidents? I'd rather have the freedom to die in a car crash than have some 1984-style government controlling my every move.
If you've been following the local news, the UHP has been citing a lot more people for driving 100mph+ due to the covid lockdown. Nobody on the roads so lets open 'er up.

Of course any deaths involved will be covid deaths.

Plane crashes too. Covid deaths.

Drownings because all those unemployed people are flocking to the reservoirs to "swim" or sink. Covid deaths.

I've never understood the attraction to paddle boards. I can't think of a more inefficient way to putz around a lake.
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Are you trying to establish a 'new' normal?
I kind of liked the 'old' normal, warts and all.

The new normal is intended to create a state of constant fear in the public. Gotta have a boogeyman to pass laws against so as to limit freedoms.

Can't control people who are not afraid.
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Do you really think the lockdown would have been supported as much as it was if people didn't like it?

I think most people like the new normal better than the old one.
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Do you really think the lockdown would have been supported as much as it was if people didn't like it?

I think most people like the new normal better than the old one.
Not sure what "people" you're talking about but nobody I know likes house arrest or oxygen deprivation. Most of us were and are just fine with the "old normal" or the "normal normal."
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Do you really think the lockdown would have been supported as much as it was if people didn't like it?

I think most people like the new normal better than the old one.
I think most people like others to make decisions for them. They’re deathly afraid of spiders too.
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Do you really think the lockdown would have been supported as much as it was if people didn't like it?

I think most people like the new normal better than the old one.
Sure, there are plenty of people that support it.

They love not having to make decisions for themselves, the .gov takes care of that for them when mommy and daddy no longer can.
Everyone gets a participation trophy because there are no losers.
It is never their fault, blame someone else or better yet blame an inanimate object.
Don't want to work, no problem just latch onto the socialist teat.
Worried about virtue.... get on social media and send your signal.
OMG somebody disagrees with you, call them names.
Don't like the way something is, deny it and destroy all evidence that it actually happened.
Someone proved you wrong, make up statistics and attach random links from the internet or better yet go back to name calling.

Plenty more examples but why bother, this too shall be subjected to one of the methods above.
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Do you really think the lockdown would have been supported as much as it was if people didn't like it?

I think most people like the new normal better than the old one.


I guess maybe the schlubs making $600 more per week than they were while working. Paid vacation and then some.

The rest of us, not so much.
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Not sure what "people" you're talking about but nobody I know likes house arrest or oxygen deprivation. Most of us were and are just fine with the "old normal" or the "normal normal."
Huh, but you just made a post saying that your grateful for covid? Could it be your not actually grateful and you just trolling? You? No. I could never believe you would do something like that.

Anyway, even if you are, I'm not.

If you can avoid the horrible death, covid is a godsend.


Shall we count the ways?

$1200 given to everyone in a country where most don't ever have even half that in their bank accounts. Most people are I know are a lot better off now than they where before covid.

Schools, underfunded, socialists snake pits of abuse and mindless drudgery, closed and normalization of homeschooling. NOBODY I've talked to with kids is send theirs back this year.

Gun sales, up. Particularly among new buyers which should make a difference when politically when it comes to gun control. The guy with 10 ARs who buys five more doesn't really help anyone, but that single mother who goes out and gets a glock is a convert.

More people cooking at home, increasing independence, health and savings.

More people having babies at home, increasing independence, health and savings.

Bars, closed or restricted, less people drinking and driving.

Less people driving period, reducing traffic accidents, traffic congestion pollution and demand for oil.

Which makes things better if you ARE still driving.

More people gardening increasing independence, health and savings.

More people prepping.

Increased awareness of the perils of a globalized supply chain. Shift to local and domestic production.

Normalization of working from home, which most people love and never want to end.

Massive reduction in GDP=a lot more free time for the population of the country. Less stress, more sleep, more time to enjoy life. The Rat race has taken a massive blow.

Speaking of rats, massive increase in pet ownership. The animal shelters are almost empty.

Normalization of mask wearing. We no longer have to expose our faces to the general public (or security cameras)

Divorce rate down.

Price of gold up.

People spending more time living together in families or covid 'pods', Increased tribialization, the way people where meant to live.

Lakes, parks, wilderness areas closed to non-residents (at least here), means instead of the usual summer glut of tourists we have our lands back to ourselves.

Borders...closed. Finally, and we saved billions by not having to build a wall to do it.

If we can just get a vaccine, or let it burn through the country and kill off the few million vulnerable people without giving up all these changes, the future could be pretty bright.
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