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Generally speaking, the left either votes or complains for a living.
The right works for a living.
Those in the middle are in transition.
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Far Right... here. I scored a 19. I'm usually a nice guy and will help almost anyone out that is willing to help themselves. I am also a realist and realize I can only do so much and can't worry about everyone else's problems. My Mom has worried enough throughout her life, for everyone else. It rarely helps anything. My work ethic should not elevate the lifestyle of someone without much work ethic.

Good Luck and hard work often seem to be relative. HMMM??
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But you sum up my attitude better than I did. Maybe I'm just a realist.
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I posit that the fundamental difference between the left and the right, is the capacity for empathy. More empathic people being generally more left-leaning, and less empathic, more right-leaning.

As a means of testing whether my hypothesis is correct, here is a test anyone who wants to can take to establish their "empathy quotient" (this is not, or at least should not be a politically based test) :

https://psychology-tools.com/empathy-quotient/
I got a 35. I could have scored a 60, but I find many of the questions that would have lead to that score to be arrogant assumptions that one "knows" what's in another person's head and heart. Actually...I tried it and scored a 74.

Seriously...."I can tune into how someone else feels rapidly and intuitively." Honestly...what do you do in your life that makes that something that occurs often enough to think its a real thing?

"Other people tell me I am good at understanding how they are feeling and what they are thinking." Really..do you REALLY know ONE person that told you this? Out loud? For no reason? That you aren't married to?

"I can tell if someone is masking their true emotion." Can you? Or do you just think you can?


Sorry...that survey is a bunch of psycho-babble BS.
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I got a 35. I could have scored a 60, but I find many of the questions that would have lead to that score to be arrogant assumptions that one "knows" what's in another person's head and heart. Actually...I tried it and scored a 74.

Seriously...."I can tune into how someone else feels rapidly and intuitively." Honestly...what do you do in your life that makes that something that occurs often enough to think its a real thing?

"Other people tell me I am good at understanding how they are feeling and what they are thinking." Really..do you REALLY know ONE person that told you this? Out loud? For no reason? That you aren't married to?

"I can tell if someone is masking their true emotion." Can you? Or do you just think you can?


Sorry...that survey is a bunch of psycho-babble BS.
Ofcourse, I could score a 3 or a 58 if I wanted to and deliberately answered the questions in a way to achieve that, but the test assumes you're being genuine, and gives options along a continuum instead of "yes" and "no".
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I posit that the fundamental difference between the left and the right, is the capacity for empathy. More empathic people being generally more left-leaning, and less empathic, more right-leaning.

https://psychology-tools.com/empathy-quotient/
Not a fan of Baron-Cohen but okay...

Very left leaning and scored 15. I guess I am a cold hearted, unempathic weirdo that should be right leaning according to what you said.
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Far Right... here. I scored a 19. I'm usually a nice guy and will help almost anyone out that is willing to help themselves. I am also a realist and realize I can only do so much and can't worry about everyone else's problems.
Despite my low score I help out when I can. I feel this empathy thing is bullcrap, it doesn't measure what you actually do, it just goes by how weepy you feel inside when you see suffering. Which is pretty useless in some situations. If you ask me.
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I got a 35. I could have scored a 60, but I find many of the questions that would have lead to that score to be arrogant assumptions that one "knows" what's in another person's head and heart. Actually...I tried it and scored a 74.

Seriously...."I can tune into how someone else feels rapidly and intuitively." Honestly...what do you do in your life that makes that something that occurs often enough to think its a real thing?

"Other people tell me I am good at understanding how they are feeling and what they are thinking." Really..do you REALLY know ONE person that told you this? Out loud? For no reason? That you aren't married to?

"I can tell if someone is masking their true emotion." Can you? Or do you just think you can?


Sorry...that survey is a bunch of psycho-babble BS.
When a friend/acquaintance is about to enter into a situation that is emotionally sensitive, or will make them feel vulnerable, do they seem to prefer taking you with them over others, because they think you'll be more in tune with their feelings -- and will provide support more quickly, intuitively, and tactfully?

People do not often come out and articulate something like, "Hey, you're good at understanding what I'm feeling and thinking." But there are still ways they express it. I gave the test a lot of leeway and pretended it was asking me if people showed any general signs that they felt I could read their feelings.
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People claim I am good at understanding them, which I am as a pattern thinker. I am good at connecting the dots. To analyze. That doesn't mean I feel what they feel. I just know what makes them tick.

I have learned how sort of tune into other people's emotions, I don't do it naturally at all. But I also know it is a real thing, people often have the ability to just be in the same room as someone to know how they feel because emotion is contagious. Something I never had unless it was very strong emotion, like intense laughter or mourning. Else I just learned it like I learned other things, reading the signs and trying to draw conclusions.
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When a friend/acquaintance is about to enter into a situation that is emotionally sensitive, or will make them feel vulnerable, do they seem to prefer taking you with them over others, because they think you'll be more in tune with their feelings -- and will provide support more quickly, intuitively, and tactfully?
What kind of weak ass friends do you have, that they feel the need to “take you with them” to enter into an emotionally sensitive situation? And what would an example of that situation be? I mean...so they want you there when they propose? Or when they visit their dad in the hospital?

Cowboy the freak up. No one I know shares that stuff with anyone.

On another tack, I have some new ways to tell left from right.

The left starts crap, the right finishes it.

The left loses $3 billion dollars being “woke” and then says it was worth it.

The woke feminist leftist with a career and good income complains that no man worth having will date them, without realizing, all the guys that would have liked them got married while they were building a career, and the rest are gay.

The left lives in a continual state of hypocritical denial about their beliefs and real life, the right doesn’t bother worrying about that crap, they just get to work and make a life.
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Funny how the divide has widened since this thread was started in 2016. Ray Charles could see the difference between left and right now.
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I think is quite simple:

Right: Rational, Logic, policy oriented, sense of moral right and wrong.

Left: Emotionally lead, irrational, bat **** crazy.
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Left = Democrats, Republicans, Marxists, Libertarians, Socialists, BLM, Antifa, Green Party

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Funny how the divide has widened since this thread was started in 2016. Ray Charles could see the difference between left and right now.
Dug up a zombie thread. Some old trolls I haven't seen in a while. I used to be one of those who said "2 sides of the same coin". Not true these days. The left has gone full retard.
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Many people who think they are wise have been herded like cattle with the use of a political spectrum that does not fit the present world. The left/right spectrum is based on Marxist ideology (even though it predates Marx, the ideology it's based in doesn't); this spectrum puts an aristocracy at one end (the so-called right) and the working class and poor at the other.

Any political spectrum that puts communists at one end and Nazis at the opposite end is simply not a realistic spectrum to use in analyzing American politics. The left/right spectrum creates a false framework, within which people are easily misled.

A spectrum that fits the American condition infinitely better is what I call the freedom spectrum, that puts totalitarianism at one end and total absence of government at the other. Based on this more realistic spectrum, the Nazis, communists, and what are today called liberals are all at the same end, while American patriots are at the other.

Patriots obviously do not want anarchy, in fact liberals do, as a pathway to despotism, so patriots are not at an extreme end of the spectrum. But based on America's roots and what made America a great nation, strictly limited government, the patriot is as close as is practical to one end of the spectrum, while the liberal stands with his comrades the communists and the Nazis at the other.

The degree to which this spectrum reflects the true soul of America is made clear by many things said and written by our founding fathers. And our history since their time has made very clear that the government that governs least does indeed govern best.

We are enjoying the fruits of what our founders gave us, while at the same time some among us are doing their best to destroy it. And the inapplicable left/right spectrum is sometimes used to confuse the simple-minded about which side is doing this.
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Many people who think they are wise have been herded like cattle with the use of a political spectrum that does not fit the present world. The left/right spectrum is based on Marxist ideology (even though it predates Marx, the ideology it's based in doesn't); this spectrum puts an aristocracy at one end (the so-called right) and the working class and poor at the other.

Any political spectrum that puts communists at one end and Nazis at the opposite end is simply not a realistic spectrum to use in analyzing American politics. The left/right spectrum creates a false framework, within which people are easily misled.

A spectrum that fits the American condition infinitely better is what I call the freedom spectrum, that puts totalitarianism at one end and total absence of government at the other. Based on this more realistic spectrum, the Nazis, communists, and what are today called liberals are all at the same end, while American patriots are at the other.

Patriots obviously do not want anarchy, in fact liberals do, as a pathway to despotism, so patriots are not at an extreme end of the spectrum. But based on America's roots and what made America a great nation, strictly limited government, the patriot is as close as is practical to one end of the spectrum, while the liberal stands with his comrades the communists and the Nazis at the other.

The degree to which this spectrum reflects the true soul of America is made clear by many things said and written by our founding fathers. And our history since their time has made very clear that the government that governs least does indeed govern best.

We are enjoying the fruits of what our founders gave us, while at the same time some among us are doing their best to destroy it. And the inapplicable left/right spectrum is sometimes used to confuse the simple-minded about which side is doing this.
The modified Nolan chart is a better approximation, but still problematic. I tend to see eye to eye with you as much as anyone on this forum DS. I agree with you for the most part on this. Our winner take all system and need for vast financing to run for office precludes the rise of 3rd parties. For much of our history D's and R's have played off each other as co-hegemons. This has never kept me from voting 3rd party, but at this point the left has become so ridiculously unhinged that my enemy's enemy is actually an attractive option.
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Dug up a zombie thread. Some old trolls I haven't seen in a while. I used to be one of those who said "2 sides of the same coin". Not true these days. The left has gone full retard.
It's not really a "left" though. More like pinkos funded by billionaires.
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Many people who think they are wise have been herded like cattle with the use of a political spectrum that does not fit the present world. The left/right spectrum is based on Marxist ideology (even though it predates Marx, the ideology it's based in doesn't); this spectrum puts an aristocracy at one end (the so-called right) and the working class and poor at the other.

Any political spectrum that puts communists at one end and Nazis at the opposite end is simply not a realistic spectrum to use in analyzing American politics. The left/right spectrum creates a false framework, within which people are easily misled.

A spectrum that fits the American condition infinitely better is what I call the freedom spectrum, that puts totalitarianism at one end and total absence of government at the other. Based on this more realistic spectrum, the Nazis, communists, and what are today called liberals are all at the same end, while American patriots are at the other.

Patriots obviously do not want anarchy, in fact liberals do, as a pathway to despotism, so patriots are not at an extreme end of the spectrum. But based on America's roots and what made America a great nation, strictly limited government, the patriot is as close as is practical to one end of the spectrum, while the liberal stands with his comrades the communists and the Nazis at the other.

The degree to which this spectrum reflects the true soul of America is made clear by many things said and written by our founding fathers. And our history since their time has made very clear that the government that governs least does indeed govern best.

We are enjoying the fruits of what our founders gave us, while at the same time some among us are doing their best to destroy it. And the inapplicable left/right spectrum is sometimes used to confuse the simple-minded about which side is doing this.
Also, fruits of a Wall Street that controls the Fed and funds consumers, businesses, government, and the military.
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