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Old 08-19-2019, 07:19 PM
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They're trying to sell people on nuclear winter again. A 'new climate model' has supposedly backed the idea. Of course they just threw more and more in to the computer program until they got the result they wanted. Basically the entire US and Russian arsenals detonated as surface blasts on major cities and wherever would kick up the most dust. They're saying temps would drop 16 degrees and wipe out everything. Of course they're not saying for how long or why a 16 degree drop would wipe out life in places with an average temp of 80 degrees.
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Publish or perish. They don't care about what, just that they got accepted. And no one cares about anything unless 'everything will be wiped out'.

[take off my tin foil hat].

Maybe they are trying to build up justification for nuclear war. You know, 'Well, sure it is horrible India blew up half of Pakistan, but now we don't have to worry about global warming as much.'

Even a nuclear cloud can have a silver lining.

[put tin foil hat back on]

After awhile someone else will run different numbers and come up with a lower level of nuclear warfare to 'fix climate change'. Another idiot will suggest 'why not start above ground testing again. Or better yet, encourage Little Kim.'.
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Notice how they have to use ďall nuclear weapons held by both countriesĒ? Not a realistic exchange, they have to throw EVERYTHING in order to get their model to work. This is nothing more than a faked study to give the anti-nuclear left some more talking points.
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16 degrees? I think they're trying to claim an even larger drop than that...

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Nuclear winter, with below freezing temperatures over much of the Northern Hemisphere during summer
Bee..esS....

Now that I've looked over most of the info in this story, there's actually even more problems with it. I'm going to short-hand this because I've explained this before in a different thread when everyone was freaking out about India and Pakistan going at it.

Back when Carl Sagan revealed his nuclear winter theory he assumed the use of thousands of mult-megaton warheads. This was back when 2 to 20 megaton warheads were the norm. Even back then the NW fearmongers were either demonstrating their utter ignorance on nuclear weapon utilization, or they were forced to use the ridiculous assumption that every one of those detonations would be a surface burst... which is one of the biggest misconceptions about nuclear weapon use. Everyone automatically assumes big warhead + surface burst = huge mushroom cloud, fallout, plus debris injected into the stratosphere. While that is indeed the case with multi-megaton warheads... the number of realistic surface detonations that would occur in even a full-scale nuclear exchange is far below the number necessary to produce the required amount of dirt reaching the upper atmosphere. As Sagan's poorly-constructed theory was pulled apart over the years, the members of the climate crowd re-invented the theory. This time, they had a new angle... the dreaded "black carbon particulate" released by burning cities.

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Current nuclear arsenals used in a war between the United States and Russia could inject 150 Tg of soot from fires ignited by nuclear explosions into the upper troposphere and lower stratosphere.
Taking the required ground bursts out of the equation allowed the NW crowd to sidestep two of the most effective criticisms of their theories. Shading effectiveness and production of sufficient particulates. However, it also introduced a new glaring hole in their models. That of "transport" or how the particulates reach the altitudes required. Instead of using the energy of a nuclear detonation, they assume "raging firestorms" will produce the updraft velocities required to inject large volumes of materials into the upper atmosphere. What makes this even more ridiculous is that they don't even attempt to model this mechanism, they simply assume a cloud of "black carbon" pops into existence in the stratosphere. So what they've done, if we use natural analogs is take a wildfire, and give it the injective power of a volcanic eruption. Something we know doesn't happen. If it did, the world would be on the perpetual brink of nuclear winter due to the millions of acres that burn every year in wildland fires. In reality what happens is the vast majority of the soot from these fires stays in the troposphere, with us. Which is why you can see cool red sunsets and haze from fires hundreds to thousands of miles away. Because that smoke/soot has circulated through the lower part of the atmosphere to visit you. That soot is eventually washed out of the atmosphere by rain, or settles to the ground. A very small fraction mixes with the upper layers of the atmosphere and stays aloft for a much longer period of time.

So next time someone from the church of nuclear winter starts babbling about black carbon and burning cities... ask them how they modeled the transport of that 150 Tg of "black carbon" to the stratosphere. You'll be off their Chrismas card list in no time.
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Green houses are your best bet already built and working with all your fixings in a shed with plenty of water for aquaponics recycling as much as possible. .
solar and wind and generators for powering the grow lights .
I anticipate even developing steam power (non recovery type) for driving generators if necessary .
Contaminated water can be used to make steam for driving a few different mechanical mechanisms so long as a continual source of water is available and there is something to burn. Steam is still what drives the biggest things. even nuclear power plants.
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16 degrees? I think they're trying to claim an even larger drop than that...
9 degree Kelvin drop is what they claim. That's about 16 degree Fahrenheit according to their math. But the effects they're attributing to that are more like a 40 or 50 degree drop. People have SEVERE problems understanding scale at this point. Same thing happens when they discuss a 2 degree increase in temperature and attribute effects to it that would be caused by a 20 degree increase. It goes beyond temperature too. Amounts of radiation, amounts of chemicals, amounts of various nutrients, distances, time, everything. They just can't understand that an effect can be true, but not total and only to a small or insignificant level.
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https://phys.org/news/2019-08-nuclea...ult-winter.amp

They're trying to sell people on nuclear winter again. A 'new climate model' has supposedly backed the idea. Of course they just threw more and more I to the computer program until they got the result they wanted. Basically the entire US and Russian arsenals detonated as surface blasts on major cities and wherever would kick up the most dust. They're saying temps would drop 16 degrees and wipe out everything. Of course they're not saying for how long it why a 16 degree drop would wipe out life in places with an average temp of 80 degrees.
Crackpot nonsense in the 80s and crackpot nonsense now.

1. Progs heard that the KGB again have $ to pass out to their friends in the DNC. or
2. Progs dreaming that the KGB can find some $ under a rock to pass to their friends in the DNC.
3. Progs have not heard that the new source of LOTS of cash is Soros.
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The environmentalist whackos are worried that not enough people aren't buying the old school Soviet disinformation on climate change, global warming or whatever you want to call it, so they need to reduce world population by 2-3 billion just to restore Mother earth to carrying capacity. While the EU is drinking the climate change cool aid, you won't get the US, Brazil, China, Russia, India or Japan who are the major carbon producers, to do enough to make any difference.

Global nuclear war is therefore the ultimate cure for global warming and excess human population. Global genocide is needed to save the earth from humans. It's all part of the Global elitist's plan to rid the earth of the nonproductive malbushim so that there are fewer mouths to feed in Africa, India and Asia.

They've been working on this theory for a long time. It started with Mein Kampf.
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So when will FEMA reprint the old 50s "Duck and Cover" pamphlets? After all, the number one goal of the government-educational complex is to waste as much money as possible

When will the public indoctrination centers (public schools) start "Duck and Cover" drills?

Sitting 5 year olds two to a seat in an auditorium was supposed to save their lives in an all-out nuclear exchange Maybe this will help solve out overpopulation problem

Does this mean we don't need a basement as long as we sit two to a living room chair or hide under a table

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Old 10-01-2019, 05:09 PM
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Duck and cover works for a big radius around that blast.
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Let's test the theory and find out. That will settle the debate.
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Your behind the curve , it's not warming but cooling due to the Grand Solar Minimum , this is the 200 to 400 year cycle that we're entering . Check the world food short falls this year and think about storage space . Look at iceagefarmer on youtube he's doing a good job posting this info .
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I'd love to see the pakis and the hajis get into it.

From what I've read their missiles have serious targeting issues.
Would be nice to get confirmation
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Everyone automatically assumes big warhead + surface burst = huge mushroom cloud, fallout, plus debris injected into the stratosphere.

I’d agree with this statement, and it’s true at least down to the 100 kT range if you don’t insist on a precise definition on stratosphere ( 1MT= top of cloud at stratosphere)

The problem is ground bursts are only used against hardened targets- undergrpund or hardened facilities, most commonly ICBM silos.
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IMO i think it will be a EMP attack
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I'd love to see the pakis and the hajis get into it.

From what I've read their missiles have serious targeting issues.
Would be nice to get confirmation
What Islamic country did you think could go nuclear with Pakistan? Or you call all dark skin people Hajis?

Even the Russians supported an atmospheric test ban treaty. Itís really not nice to throw a bunch of fission products in the atmosphere.
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What Islamic country did you think could go nuclear with Pakistan? Or you call all dark skin people Hajis?

Even the Russians supported an atmospheric test ban treaty. Itís really not nice to throw a bunch of fission products in the atmosphere.
I call Indians hajis.

I'm not worried about a few small nukes popping off on the other side of the planet.
More interested in their targeting capabilities.
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