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Old 02-06-2011, 02:54 PM
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So one of the troubles with living in the North is that it can get really cold up here, for months at a time. This season being one of our weirdest has brought us temps ranging from -38 to +4 Celsius (-36 to +39 Fahrenheit) in the same week!

I like storing a little water in my truck as apart of the few items I keep for problems on the road. This winter, I setup a plan to see if my standard issue thermos was up to the task of maintaining 1L of water above freezing inside of my truck for 3 days. It was not.

On day 1, no problems were noted, and the water was a little brisk, but tasted great.

On day 2, I didn't open up the thermos but gave it a good shake and didn't hear any slush or ice.

On day 3, I found the cap-seal blown off. Apparently the thermos over-pressurized. I had left enough room for ice expansion, but didn't count on the air-tight seal to out last the aluminum.

And this week was one of our warmest. Probably had a great deal of influence on the performance of the thermos.

So, lessons learned: Plan for Setbacks, or failures in equipment. You never know when the gear you use to help you out might just fail. Standard issue was brought to you by the lowest bidder. Last but not least, regular checks of our gear are critical!

Stay warm!
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This is true. Always try to keep a second of things you know or expect could possibly break.
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-38 c??? I need long johns when it drops below 0 c. LOL.
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That makes a point I keep pushing. Test everything. If your life may depend on it some day, test it, learn it inside and out. Whether it's a gun, a bug out bag, or whatever. Put it through it's paces. Find out if it's right for you, if it will do what you need it to do, etc.

Sorry for the loss of your thermos, but that was a good lesson to learn and good knowledge to pass on to us.
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Here's what I figured out for trunk kit water while living a winter in North Dakota.

I keep 6 20 ounce bottles of aqua-fina (heaviest plastic bottles I could find) in a roughly 6 pack size styrofoam shipping container from some frozen mail order steak company.

I also keep 3 MRE heaters in the container along with a 4 ounce Datrex water pouch.

I can melt the 4 ounce pouch by putting it in an inside jacket pocket, then use the water to activate the MRE heaters. This will thaw all 6 bottles when it's -20 F, so it will probably work at -39 C.

Keep flames away from the container.
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Here's what I figured out for trunk kit water while living a winter in North Dakota.

I keep 6 20 ounce bottles of aqua-fina (heaviest plastic bottles I could find) in a roughly 6 pack size styrofoam shipping container from some frozen mail order steak company.

I also keep 3 MRE heaters in the container along with a 4 ounce Datrex water pouch.

I can melt the 4 ounce pouch by putting it in an inside jacket pocket, then use the water to activate the MRE heaters. This will thaw all 6 bottles when it's -20 F, so it will probably work at -39 C.

Keep flames away from the container.
Thanks for the great, and simple, idea. As it has been just the case in the past, the cheapo bottles of store water have expanded, but haven't burst. I'm thinking that from now on I'll be keeping the Thermos empty until needed to keep warm fluids warm or cool liquids cool.

Using disposable bottles for more austere environments sounds like a good call in this case.

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Two is one and one is NONE!!! Get's expensive and hard to justify to the wife but if it's important Murphy's law will bend you over.
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We heat with oil, forced hot air furnace on the below zero days and run a pellet stove the rest of the time. I have a small generator to run the pellet stove if the power goes out. Don't have a transfer panel to run the furnace ...yet.

Well, last month the power stayed on but the pellet stove circuit board fritzed out. Concern for incoming ice storms prompted me to run out and and get a kerosene convection heater (and co2 detector w/ battery back up).

We've been running the K-heater during the daytime and have found it heats 1,000 sqft just as well as the pellet stove.

Now we just need to find a replacement circuit board for the pellet stove.
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Cheapo bottles didn't work for me.

I travel worldwide, so while heading home in various airports I picked up bottles of water. (I'm a scientist, and that's the sort of thing we think is fun.) I put them all in a cardboard box lined with a plastic bag and froze them in my basement chest freezer at 0 F. After the last new bottle had been in there a week, I took them out and let them thaw. Froze them again. Thawed them.

After more than a dozen freeze/thaw cycles, I noticed that bottles with any shape other than the classic 2-liter style cylinder were more likely to have issues. Some leaked.

Then, I took the surviving frozen bottles and dropped them 3 times each on the concrete floor from 1 meter - on the cap, on the side, and at a 45 degree (approx) angle on the bottom.

Again, the bottles with any shape other than the classic 2-liter were more likely to have issues.

That's how I ended up with 20 ounce bottles of Aqua Fina. Heaviest plastic in the right shape.

I put the heaters in an "H" shape, so that each heater has bottles on both sides.



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Thanks for the great, and simple, idea. As it has been just the case in the past, the cheapo bottles of store water have expanded, but haven't burst. I'm thinking that from now on I'll be keeping the Thermos empty until needed to keep warm fluids warm or cool liquids cool.

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