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Old 01-10-2020, 05:09 AM
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Yeah, if you search physical penetration testing, you see how easy for these guys to penetrate most security doors and gates.

The one that gets me is office buildings that actually put a lockbox with all the building keys in it outside (so service men and delivery people can enter), then the key to that lock box is a common key you can buy on the internet.

And the IR inside door motion detectors that let people leave the building without a key.
They simply blow some smoke though the crack in the door and the door opens.

Lots of simple tricks.
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Very interesting tool. Will have to look up the price on theses.
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I have not seen that particular model.
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That only works if the gap between the door and frame are too great, or most often the strike is not adjusted properly to prevent that tool from working.

Also notice that I think all but one of those doors swing out (usually code on commercial building).

Someone wasn't doing their job installing those locks and strikes.

That tool will not work where exit devices/crash bars or deadbolts are installed.

Sadly it will work slot of the time because people do not know what they are doing when they do lock work beyond. There is quite a bit more to it than just making sure it operates as you expect it to.

I will try to find a video to explain how deadlatches/deadlockers work and how critical the alignment of the strike to the latch when the door is closed.

The tool is useful yes but it is important to know why and how it works...and when it will not.
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Is exactly why my doors use both electric strikes and mag locks.

Interesting tool through thanks for sharing.
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Good video to watch.
Shows how they exploit security flaws in door security and some simple things you can do to improve security..

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I've seen a few fire department tools in action with regards to making entry without destruction of property. I don't recall this exact tool, but tools of a similar concept.

I would imagine it would not be hard to make such a device.
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Looks like a bevel square:





https://www.amazon.com/Sliding-T-Bev...qid=1578901093
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HeeHee Had some high schoolers EDUCATE me on using a square to open the doors. Works same. Our locksmith came out and installed 4' of plates, enough to stop the square from working.
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I never knew how those "dead latch plungers" were supposed to work.
With the correct striker plate and door fitment position to ensure that they are depressed when the door is closed and latched, they do not allow the slanted latch to be depressed with a flat piece of plastic or steel.



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Default Latch loiding or shimming.

Munik hit the nail on the head. This type of tool works best on residential knob locks, and also worn, broken, or improperly installed commercial knob latches. It won't work on a properly installed and functioning commercial knob or lever handle.

It's called "loiding" or "shimming" the latch. This SEARAT tool is just a fancy, and probably overpriced, folding version of a latch shim. There's no reason to pay the high price for a tool like that when you can make one yourself rather easily.

The bevel square shown in Aerindel's post would be a good starting place for building one yourself, but as it is shown in his pic it would have limitations unless you modified it. Most of the latches shown in the video have a shield in front of the latch area to prevent loiding, but it just means you need to attack the latch from above or below the shield to reach the door latch. Either that or you need a flexible loid made from mica or an appropriate type and thickness of plastic to bend around the shield to press on the latch.

There are all kinds of other tools for bypassing commercial doors, including the classic under-the-door tool, and other methods which involve the locking mechanism itself.

A commercial under-the-door tool for use on lever door handles is more versatile than this "SEARAT" tool, and will more often work, even on a properly functioning commercial "classroom" knob or lever handle lock. That's because with that type of lock (classroom), even when it's locked you can always open it from the inside by just turning the handle. It's often required due to fire codes so a person is able to exit a room in case of fire even if they don't have a key; you only need the key for entry.

That type of tool will usually cost between $30-$50 but you can make your own from a coat hanger, a leather belt and some string, or a pocket sized version using about 50 cents worth of 10ga copper wire, although the pocket one only works on lever handles and not knobs.

A prepared entry-specialist will have both tools in their kit though: shims (like the SEARAT), and an under-the-door tool. Among other gear.
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Even if the patches are installed correctly a pry bar could flex the door frame to allow the tool to get in and open the latch.
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ALL locks and doors are simply devices to make access take longer, or make it obvious.

Preventing access by determined individuals is literally impossible.
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Even if the patches are installed correctly a pry bar could flex the door frame to allow the tool to get in and open the latch.
Yes, but at that point you're talking about utilizing a method of destructive entry. And if you're going to go there, there are a whole host of other methods you can use, up to and including chop saws and hydraulic spreaders.

I think one of the benefits and purposes of a tool made for shimming latches is that it utilizes a method of non-destructive entry. Whether it's because you want to enter surreptitiously for some reason, or just plain don't want to damage the property and incur a repair bill, sometimes non-destructive entry methods are preferred.
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