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Default Who has a Mossberg 590 Raptor in 20 gauge? I do now!!!



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Mine is supposed to arrive on Tuesday (April 20, 2019)
I have been making my own mini-shells for 20 gauge for some time and plan on doing the same for the Raptor.

Now that it has been around for a bit, I was wondering who has shot one and what tips you might have for effective use. I read that they strongly advise against sighting down the barrel so it ought to be interesting.
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Got a 500 20 gauge with 18" barrel, put on a Shockwave Technologies grip. Fun to shoot, don't have to be as careful as with the 12 gauge. Bolted on a lexan red/green front sight to lower the bore line enough to be right on at 20 yards or so. Plan to add a light/green laser.

Technique to start with is firmly grasping with off hand, straightened elbow, like so many "gunfighters" are handling ARs in You Tube videos. Then look down the barrel just as though there were a buttstock. Grasp firmly with both hands and squeeze the go switch.

With the short barrel, I'd want a strap on the pump handle. I kept it on my two 14 inch barreled 12 gauges. I ALWAYS use it. Slipping into it is automatic now.

I've put a https://www.ergogrips.net/shop/tacti...-mossberg-500/
and a cushioned Ergo pistol grip on, added an AR buffer tube and SB brace to my version of the Mossberg Shockwave 12. IMO, the SB brace gives better support than does the Shockwave Blade. Light/green laser supplements the gadget, allow quick shots on target with slugs/buckshot/birdshot out to where the spread is too great to see in the dirt. Laser makes hip shots just as good as holding it up to my eyes. Tried a MeproLite front bead, made shots hit too high. Cushioned pistol grip no longer necessary 'cause I got accustomed to the recoil.

Looks odd.

Shoots GREAT!

Other Mossberg 12 gauge 14 incher is Class III, don't want to change a thing on it!
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Got a 500 20 gauge with 18" barrel, put on a Shockwave Technologies grip. Fun to shoot, don't have to be as careful as with the 12 gauge. Bolted on a lexan red/green front sight to lower the bore line enough to be right on at 20 yards or so. Plan to add a light/green laser.

Technique to start with is firmly grasping with off hand, straightened elbow, like so many "gunfighters" are handling ARs in You Tube videos. Then look down the barrel just as though there were a buttstock. Grasp firmly with both hands and squeeze the go switch.

With the short barrel, I'd want a strap on the pump handle. I kept it on my two 14 inch barreled 12 gauges. I ALWAYS use it. Slipping into it is automatic now.

I've put a https://www.ergogrips.net/shop/tacti...-mossberg-500/
and a cushioned Ergo pistol grip on, added an AR buffer tube and SB brace to my version of the Mossberg Shockwave 12. IMO, the SB brace gives better support than does the Shockwave Blade. Light/green laser supplements the gadget, allow quick shots on target with slugs/buckshot/birdshot out to where the spread is too great to see in the dirt. Laser makes hip shots just as good as holding it up to my eyes. Tried a MeproLite front bead, made shots hit too high. Cushioned pistol grip no longer necessary 'cause I got accustomed to the recoil.

Looks odd.

Shoots GREAT!

Other Mossberg 12 gauge 14 incher is Class III, don't want to change a thing on it!
Great information. Thanks for sharing.
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Default It arrived today!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

So, quick range report and a few tips from what I have seen so far.


I don't plan on hunting turkey with this little guy. (Actually, it's not as small as I had anticipate.)


Up next to his big brother, a Pardner Pump Protector. (12 gauge)

My only thought was to use this as a close quarters (10-15 yards) response.
For that it can be very accurate and easy to control.
I shot both factory and home brewed #3 and #4 buckshot and both patterned beautifully. I also ran some slugs, equally controllable IMO. YMMV.

Now I have more than a few years shooting/training with pistol grip shotguns. Very soon I hope to get out with some of the other men in the family and see how they do as well.

Overall, I found it to be exactly what I had hoped it would be. I'm really glad that I went 20 gauge as I did fire a 3" slug and, while I was still able to put it where I wanted it, it was a bit more punishing that I would like as a regular diet.

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The Truglo sight was a real plus for my aging eyes.
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If you want to use a grip sleeve like I do, I would suggest a 2.25 inner tube turned inside out and make sure you lube it up well with hand sanitizer before trying to stretch it over the birdshead. Notice that I left it on the birdshead and not just on the thinner portion of the grip. This kept it from slipping even a tiny bit so far.
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. . . The Truglo sight was a real plus for my aging eyes.
You aren't kidding. I got the truglo setup for my turkey gun right off the bat (almost 25 years ago now!). I'm a believer in the fiber optic technology.
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You aren't kidding. I got the truglo setup for my turkey gun right off the bat (almost 25 years ago now!). I'm a believer in the fiber optic technology.
I just wish I could find one that mounts to a mlock or weaver rail. I have an AR12 gauge that I would love truglo on.
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Got outdoors today and was very happy with the results. I set up clays on a hillside and easily took them out one at a time. (10-15 yards.) #4 shot patterns beautifully and hits hard but with minimal felt recoil.

The more that I shoot it, the more natural it becomes. After just two days I feel that I could take this into harm's way with total confidence.
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Even the recoil with 12 gauge slugs is manageable for a follow up shot. I'd like a 20 gauge myself. My Maverick with the 18.5" barrel has more kick with the Shockwave does, both with 12 gauge slugs.
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I found this on clearance at Wally World for a dollar.
It's called a sling cooler (holds six cans of your favorite beverage or perhaps . . .)



It only require a tiny bit of modification to make it fit. I had to widen the opening at the mouth of the zipper and seal down the seem. It doesn't need much as the fabric has a lot of stretch to it.

I may add a Velcro closure to it and a detachable strap that can then be attached to the Raptor.
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I switched my TruGlo green (Gen 1) for a new red Gen 2.
I found that, at close quarters, I had to aim a bit low.

The Gen2 is shorter and raised the point of aim.
Will test today, hopefully.

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Like the fiber optics. I have a Hi Viz sight on my HD Mossberg.
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That's pretty funny about the beer cooler, Sarge - good find!

Also, after shooting my 870 with the raptor grip (it's an 18" gun, but I carry it for hiking when we're in griz land), anything to raise the sight picture will be welcome, so that fiber optic would be fine with me. It definitely takes some practice to get it hitting where it does with a stock.
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That's pretty funny about the beer cooler, Sarge - good find!

Also, after shooting my 870 with the raptor grip (it's an 18" gun, but I carry it for hiking when we're in griz land), anything to raise the sight picture will be welcome, so that fiber optic would be fine with me. It definitely takes some practice to get it hitting where it does with a stock.
I tested it out today and the lower sight worked very well.



Homemade #4 Buck. When I find my roll crimper for 20 gauge it should get even better. These are low recoil loads with only 12 piece of #4 Buck.
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I broke down and ordered a new roll crimper. Hopefully is will come soon.

I have let several others shoot mine. Today it was a young man with quite a few years of experience with a shotgun and a super novice who is very recoil sensitive.
Both loved it and both shot very well using the low recoil loads. Both also easily controlled the full power slugs (not the 3")

Hopefully, in the next week or so, after my crimper arrives, I intend to try some tests against outdated pork butts or shoulders. (poor man's ballistic gel)
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I broke down and ordered a new roll crimper. Hopefully is will come soon.
If it's the same one I ordered, it'll be a month or so since I think it ships from the wilds of Siberia . . .
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If it's the same one I ordered, it'll be a month or so since I think it ships from the wilds of Siberia . . .
I have one of those for the 12 gauge, if it is the one with the crank on it. It works ok but I wanted the one that works on my drill press.

I have it for my .410 and it works much better and faster. If you got the crank one, put a drop of oil on the inside of the crimper face when you start off each time or after 30 or so shells. It makes prettier crimps. YMMV

I got mine with a shell holder block set from these guys, where I buy my buckshot from.

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If you are going to make shorties, send me a PM for more information.
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Roll crimper arrived, works great.

I made a bunch of shorties (1 7/8' after crimp) and they feed perfectly.
YMMV

Loaded with 8 pieces of #4 Buck. Very manageable recoil.


* I know it looks like I didn't use a shot card but it is there, just very clear material>
I hope to make a YouTube video of my process. Time will tell.
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Well done Sarge!
I have one too, and have added a few upgrades too.
I went with the Big Dot up front, and added a new strap as I found the Mossberg one kind of sucked. I got a B-TAK, but there are a bunch out now.
Also got the Triceratops Custom safety, because I didn't like the stock one.

There are a bunch of folks here that will tell you they're useless and just a toy. Now that you have one and have shot it, you know that's not true.
I'm going to look into the can cooler thing, great idea!


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Federal .410 3 inch #4 buck has 9 pellets, 950(!) FPS in their Handgun Personal Defense line up. I doubt that velocity would ever be reached from my Judge with the three inch barrel.

I favor Federal's 00 buck .410, 2.5 inch shell, four pellets, fantastic advertised 1200 FPS
(WOW) from a handgun. Once again, I like it, but I question the velocity.

I tried, but didn't like, the Winchester Personal Defender stuff. Believe it to be too small, too light, and it spread too quickly in my .410 handguns. I liked the Hornady Triple Defense with the round balls, but got the Federal loads cheaper in bulk.

Sure enough, I wasn't the only Doubting Thomas.
http://www.brassfetcher.com/Shotguns...allistics.html

Although Federal makes a handgun .410 load with #4 buck, it wasn't tested here.

Sarge, you'll want to check your velocity. What got me started here was your 8 pellet load of #4 buck. You've got 11 more inches of combustion chamber.
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Roll crimper arrived, works great.

I made a bunch of shorties (1 7/8' after crimp) and they feed perfectly.
YMMV

Loaded with 8 pieces of #4 Buck. Very manageable recoil.


* I know it looks like I didn't use a shot card but it is there, just very clear material>
I hope to make a YouTube video of my process. Time will tell.
I decided not to derail my own thread and started a fresh one.
https://www.survivalistboards.com/sh...d.php?t=916050
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