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Old 12-10-2017, 06:47 PM
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Benelli SuperNova Tactical, 18.5" barrel, Chronograph at 3m distance.

Remington Slugger, rated 1560fps
Actual, 1369*

Federal Hydrashok, rated 1610fps
Actual 1440fps**

Federal Truball DP, rated 1350fps
Actual, 1310fps**

Federal Truball LR, rated 1300fps
Actual 1267fps*




*Some errors on chronograph due to lighting, had to throw a few shots out of the 10 shot string.
**5-shot string


In short, the hottest slug I tested was only about 180fps faster than the slowest, and the federal Truball LR was VERY sedate on the shoulder while only being roughly 100fps slower than the full-house Remington Sluggers. The best accuracy came from the Remington Sluggers, and Federal Truball LR. The worst was the Hydrashok.


This also means that at 100 yards, the Federal TB LR slug is going to be moving at 900fps and have 787.6fpe of energy, using Federal's published BC. The hottest slug I tested, the Hydrashok, is going to be moving at 951fps, and have 880# of energy. Certainly "not worth the recoil for longer shots", which is how most people rationalize full-power slugs "...but what if I want to reach out to 75-100 yards, instead of 25-50? I need the faster slug...not so much. Oh, the full-power Hydrashok drops by 2" less, both zeroed at 25 yards, per JBM calculator. Not much argument for it for trajectory reasons, either. (Both slugs are listed as having a 0.070 BC)

With the full-power slug, you are getting a whopping 51fps and 92.4# more energy on target at 100 yards. You are giving up muzzle flash, recoil, comfort, control, etc.

Shrinking the distance to a more typical 50 yards, the full power slug is giving you 1123fps and 1227fpe. The LR is doing 1030fps, and giving you 1032# of energy. A bit larger discrepancy, but really, it's still nearly academic.

The benefit of a full-power slug is rapidly diminished by distance to the point of insignificance at typical slug-use distances, in my opinion, based on the data I have, and have extrapolated from Federal's data.

Also worth noting is that the LR slugs went transonic at around 30-35 yards, but accuracy testing was at 75 yards. I saw no signs of instability. It appears Foster slugs are stable through the transonic range.
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1 oz. slugs?
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1 oz. slugs?
Yes, they were all 1oz slugs, and according to my scale, that was their actual weight.
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If you want really nice deer slug try the true-ball low recoil out to maybe 75 yards it knocks deer flat
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Unobtanium,

Did you include 3" shells in those tests?
If so, which was which?
If not, do you think you could do a follow up study comparing 3" slug loads to 2 3/4" slug loads?
I'd be interested in seeing what one would get with the extra 1/4".


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Was this up for some debate? 1 oz of lead at 1400 vs. 1300 fps is going to end whatever it hits.

Is someone or something going to survive slug X that would have died from slug Y?

Sorta confused.
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Even 1 oz slugs could not keep this zombie from rising.
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WOW, what a couple of Richards!
SORRY, I was just asking a question.
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Well your rated vs actual findings support what many have known all along, end flap velocities are highly optimistic and actual velocities are generally less than advertised. Chronographs are fun and enlightening...wouldn't you agree...lol
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Barrel length has lots to do with the velocity. Most published data is with long barrel. If you load your you can select a powder that can be more effective from a short tube.

There is a lot of empty space in shotgun shells. Back in the black powder and early smokeless days that produced the same pressure curve, a longer case allowed for more shot and more slower powder. With modern nitro powder that space isn't really required.

I load all my 12 gauge 2 3/4" shells to 3 3/4 Dram equivalent with 1 1/4 oz of shot or slugs. Yep they generate recoil but they also catch dinner. Cost me a few bucks a box at most.

I like my Lyman cast sabot slugs. 3# coffee cans at 90 yards with a pistol gripped 870 Express using a skeet #2 choke in the 20" barrel.
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Charlie,

Do you use that 870 you mentioned for both upland birds and deer?
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Yes I hunt with it, real birds and bunnies. I also shoot: trap, skeet and sporting clays with it. Same full power load every time. 50 rounds in a few minutes is enough punishment for my hands and wrist for the day. I get strange looks from the other shooter's but as soon as I'm breaking birds right along with them, they get over it. I don't like the taste of deer (bear food IMHO) so I have never shot one with anything.

All my elk were harvested with my 7 Rem Mag. I could have easily shot half of them with a pistol or the shotgun (learning to stalk gets you close) but I feel better knowing that they make the transition to elk heaven instantly.

I like chucker's, quail and grouse, maybe dove - not into ducks or pheasants (did shoot some as kid, that was enough).

BTY it has an extended magazine and a sling with 10 extra rounds. I put a mid bead in the rib to serve as my rear sight for slugs. Recoil is easier if I keep the magazine full. With the loaded sling hanging it tends to continue swinging making follow up shots harder/slower.
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They let you shoot full on Duck and Pheasant loads at your local range, eh?....interesting.
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I got a deal a while back on some 12g tracers. I swear I could have dodged them they traveled so slow.
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