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It makes one think about what the "Average Joe" thought in the lead up to the Civil War.

I don't mean the Politicians, or the "Movers & Shakers" but the average citizen, how they perceived things? Most are generally consumed with their 'real' lives, family concerns etc.
I often wonder about this my self. No civil war happened because a group of folks woke up one day and started over throwing the government. The warning signs always stretch back years and even decades in some cases.

It starts with differing ideologies, then dissent, and open distain for opposing views, followed by small scale actions that are written off as radicals, and then finally one day the radicals launch another small scale action that isn't so small scale and everyone realizes we're at a tipping point and the danger that was poop pahed is now real.

America has gone through every stage at this point and in the last year along with this year we've been seeing increased small scale lone wolf attacks, or "peaceful protests" hyjacked by agitators.

Now the left is openly talking about getting guns and getting training for defense, imagine some of the riots last year if the protestors had all been armed with emotions so high, what kind of response would that call for? How would the armed protestors respond to that response legal or not? What if just half of them were armed? What if just a handful were armed? It changes things a great deal, and while I'm pro-2A when you start using firearms to threaten people into following your political agenda then you become what is classically defined as a terrorist.


I feel very strongly that we are in the middle of a civil war and most folks just haven't caught on yet because the two sides aren't wearing blue and gray, they're wearing skinny jeans, and riot gear.
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As I wrote my post I was thinking of similarities between now and those just prior to the original civil war. The ones that came to mind were, cultural differences, economics and an over reaching government (perceived or real). Those three things existed then and they certainly exist now. We'll have to wait and see if, with the election of Trump, those things improve, but what I see at the moment is not too encouraging..
The original civil war is not the one you should be studying in relation to what's happening here today. You should be studying this one instead:

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I am angry enough to take part in a civil war instead of standing idly by, just not angry enough to fire the first shot. I feel like there might be some who feel the same way.
The truly scary thought is that there are those in your situation, who have lost much more and are reaching the point where they might fire the first proverbial shot.

That should be worrisome.
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Okay, I was just lambasted by one of my liberal buds about the Hillary email scandal about the right spent millions of tax payers dollars crucifying her and now he's equating the Flynn situation to hers. I merely found some post from him blindly defending Hillary on the email scandal and merely posted "Hypocrite much?".

I then posted how I always thought the email scandal was nothing more than a non-sequitur but to even consider these 2 situations even remotely similar is beyond grasping at straws.

His rebuttal was a laden filled tirade about how the right is going to destroy the country and everyone is going to die... Maybe there is something to this whole civil war thang.
Yeah. A large part of the country thinks the other part is out to kill them, and is willing to go to violence over it, with no evidence.

And we are supposed to expect unity...

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Hell, I'm honest about wanting to simply stay out of it, but that won't be reality if something like this actually happens.

I'll be the BBEG to the Leftists because of my gender and skin, so . . . ****!
Yup, you've chosen your side...now if/when the SHTF you won't be having delusions that you'll have the luxury of safely going about your business and not be affected...history teaches us a lot...
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Yup, you've chosen your side...now if/when the SHTF you won't be having delusions that you'll have the luxury of safely going about your business and not be affected...history teaches us a lot...
I did not, that is an important point to make and needs to be differentiated.

There are many Soldiers out there (and on here) who don't want a Civil War, don't want to see that **** within our own cities, but at the same time the alternative of appeasement is not acceptable either.

So when one side decides that you are the BBEG, and is unflinching in that Belief you have two options:

1-Sit and take it
2-Say "NO!"

All the detailed choices, convoluted plans and 'bugging out' come down to those two choices.
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I did not, that is an important point to make and needs to be differentiated.

There are many Soldiers out there (and on here) who don't want a Civil War, don't want to see that **** within our own cities, but at the same time the alternative of appeasement is not acceptable either.

So when one side decides that you are the BBEG, and is unflinching in that Belief you have two options:

1-Sit and take it
2-Say "NO!"

All the detailed choices, convoluted plans and 'bugging out' come down to those two choices.
No one in their right mind would want a war in their own backyard....

BUT, everyone will be forced to participate IF it happens AND no one will have the luxury of staying neutral...THAT is precisely what history has shown those willing to look...
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BBEG=B ig, B ad, E vil, G uy?
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At this point the only thing that can stop a civil war and bring both sides together is a full out war with another country.
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BBEG=B ig, B ad, E vil, G uy?
Yup. It is an RPG term used for the stereotypical Big Bad Evil Guy

http://rpgmuseum.wikia.com/wiki/BBEG

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That's funny you've been here for 8 years and didn't seem to mind the phrase "not my President" before now.
In all fairness, that pResident had openly stated his intention to do the same things that caused the colonies to rebel in the first place, even lifting his ideas from the litany of complaints we had against King George III in the Declaration. That same Declaration commissions us to resist those ideas by any necessary means, including violence.

If the American people are to be faulted for their reaction to Barack Obama, we are to be faulted for our excessive tolerance and restraint.
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Yup. It is an RPG term used for the stereotypical Big Bad Evil Guy

http://rpgmuseum.wikia.com/wiki/BBEG
Was wondering what the acronym meant myself...LOL
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Yup. It is an RPG term used for the stereotypical Big Bad Evil Guy

http://rpgmuseum.wikia.com/wiki/BBEG
Disregard that pm. i wasn't this far into the thread yet.
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Was wondering what the acronym meant myself...LOL
It seems to fit with how he Left is portraying anyone who is not of their 'ilk' or the Non-Left anymore.

They don't think, they just have this rabid, Pavlovian response to anything and it makes talking/reasoning with them impossible. They do not want to have a discussion, they want appeasement to their ideals. PERIOD
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I'm glad that the people around you have things "extremely good", but my parents are being gouged by the IRS thanks to higher taxes, my sister has no health insurance because 0bastardcare is now more expensive than the fines for not having insurance, my own private insurance is $1,200 per month and the copays and deductibles are so high I can barely afford to use it at all, and my other sister is also being gouged by the IRS. For eight years people like me have been insulted, maligned, demonized and marginalized by the person who is supposed to be representing us to the world, and the only thing keeping me from being beaten down for my political beliefs in the streets of the 50 largest cities in the UNITED STATES is the fact that I have chosen not to go there.

I am angry enough to take part in a civil war instead of standing idly by, just not angry enough to fire the first shot. I feel like there might be some who feel the same way.
I'm in the same boat. I refuse to pay for Obamacare, and I pay out of pocket for medical care for a family of 4. And then Obamacare wants to steal what little I have left as a punishment for not being able to afford the inflated price of their "product." Last year, TurboTax didn't have the info for the exemptions, so I had to pay the fine, because I needed my refund to pay the bills, but I'm going to be filing an amended return to get my money back. I hope it doesn't trigger an audit.

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At this point the only thing that can stop a civil war and bring both sides together is a full out war with another country.
AGREED.

Sociology 101 - In Group - Out Group dynamics.
I often say the only way we will have World Peace is when the Aliens show themselves.

Now that we as a species KNOW how we act, we can BEHAVE differently.
We wont... but we CAN.
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AGREED.

Sociology 101 - In Group - Out Group dynamics.
I often say the only way we will have World Peace is when the Aliens show themselves.

Now that we as a species KNOW how we act, we can BEHAVE differently.
We wont... but we CAN.
If there are other off planet civilizations looking at us, I'm quite sure they are shaking their heads saying "the children acting up again in their usual way" LOL
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I'm in the same boat. I refuse to pay for Obamacare, and I pay out of pocket for medical care for a family of 4. And then Obamacare wants to steal what little I have left as a punishment for not being able to afford the inflated price of their "product." Last year, TurboTax didn't have the info for the examltions, so I had to pay the fine, because I needed my refund to pay the bills, but I'm going to be filing an amended return to get my money back. I hope it doesn't trigger an audit.
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I'm glad that the people around you have things "extremely good", but my parents are being gouged by the IRS thanks to higher taxes, my sister has no health insurance because 0bastardcare is now more expensive than the fines for not having insurance, my own private insurance is $1,200 per month and the copays and deductibles are so high I can barely afford to use it at all, and my other sister is also being gouged by the IRS. For eight years people like me have been insulted, maligned, demonized and marginalized by the person who is supposed to be representing us to the world, and the only thing keeping me from being beaten down for my political beliefs in the streets of the 50 largest cities in the UNITED STATES is the fact that I have chosen not to go there.

I am angry enough to take part in a civil war instead of standing idly by, just not angry enough to fire the first shot. I feel like there might be some who feel the same way.
I believe you are BOTH intelligent enough to creatively structure your financial houses to offset your supposed tax liability. It may be a moral issue for you, and that is your issue, NOT that the BBEG (Big Bad Evil Government) is making your life harder than it should be.

I DO empathize, I HAVE been there. I am NOT married to the love of my life for 20 years for a reason. It is a moral hangup. WE create our own realities.
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I shortened the quoted post because...well it's long.

But I agree with every word, and I wanted to ask if I could share it with my mom and uncle.

As for the poster who commented about people having jobs, being too busy to fight a war etc...I'm fairly sure life was disrupted for the Average Joe during every single confrontation that's ever taken place throughout human history. One day you were milking a cow and harvesting your wheat, the next day a troupe of recruiters on horseback come along and say "Hey, your country needs you and all your male children and relatives." Boom. Normalcy gone. It's go-time.
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I believe you are BOTH intelligent enough to creatively structure your financial houses to offset your supposed tax liability. It may be a moral issue for you, and that is your issue, NOT that the BBEG (Big Bad Evil Government) is making your life harder than it should be.

I DO empathize, I HAVE been there. I am NOT married to the love of my life for 20 years for a reason. It is a moral hangup. WE create our own realities.
While I agree that we make our own way, there is no denying that an overly powerful centralized federal government has a lot of tools to effect the lives of the people under them. We've seen extreme examples of this throughout history. The American colonists made their own realities, but were taxed without being represented, and then had the King make an attempt at disarmament. The Jews made their own reality, but the Hitler had his own effect. Etc.

We do make our own realities, but the federal government imposing harsh taxes has a negative effect on that. I'm not content to sit idly by and allow that for much longer. It's theft, no way around it.
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