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Old 03-30-2020, 08:45 AM
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No this isn't a "sing happy birthday twice while washing" post.

We should all be wearing face masks because this pandemic is a fantastic opportunity to get some cultural changes going.

Companies like Genetic and Anyvision have been hired by the government to install their "Better Tomorrow" facial recognition and individual tracking software in major public areas across the world including the United States. Our privacy has been eroded past the point of return. Wearing masks in public to combat the tracking is a good idea, but up till now I get the impression that people would think I'm a lunatic for doing so.

It is now, for the first time that I'm aware of, socially acceptable to walk into grocery stores, banks, into your own place of work, down the street etc wearing a face mask.
This is fantastic and I hope to see this acceptance of face masks continue well beyond the pandemic scare.

For stopping the virus, medical N95 masks are the best.

But even a simple cloth dust mask will catch water droplets in the air that could contain the virus and will also help prevent you from touching your face.
I'm not at high risk and I'm not contagious so that's what I'll be wearing.

Also, screw the WHO and the unquestioning news media for saying masks don't help. They seem to genuinely think we're all retarded.
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I'm not wasting my masks or wearing a worthless a rag on my face as a prepper fashion statement.
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Facial recognition is probably one of the reasons so many of the Hong Kong protesters were wearing masks.

It seems that first we were told that masks should only be used by the infected to mitigate the transmission of the virus to the uninfected. Now they are saying anything would work better than nothing but please do not run out and buy the N95 because those should be used primarily by first responders and hospital staff.

The story seems to change day by day to fit their ever changing narrative. I'm trying keep up with this **** and do the right thing like a good little citizen but I'm losing interest. As people start to wake up and question all the BS that's being thrown at them it will certainly put a glitch in our controllers matrix.

I'm ready to put on one of my (now acceptable) masks and go rob a bank, right after I toss my TV's off the nearest cliff.
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America needs more snout masks / face diapers!
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Yes, in my 58 years walking this earth most people should have been wearing a mask!
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Masks are to keep you from giving disease, not getting disease!
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No this isn't a "sing happy birthday twice while washing" post.

We should all be wearing face masks because this pandemic is a fantastic opportunity to get some cultural changes going.

Companies like Genetic and Anyvision have been hired by the government to install their "Better Tomorrow" facial recognition and individual tracking software in major public areas across the world including the United States. Our privacy has been eroded past the point of return. Wearing masks in public to combat the tracking is a good idea, but up till now I get the impression that people would think I'm a lunatic for doing so.

It is now, for the first time that I'm aware of, socially acceptable to walk into grocery stores, banks, into your own place of work, down the street etc wearing a face mask.
This is fantastic and I hope to see this acceptance of face masks continue well beyond the pandemic scare.

For stopping the virus, medical N95 masks are the best.


But even a simple cloth dust mask will catch water droplets in the air that could contain the virus and will also help prevent you from touching your face.
I'm not at high risk and I'm not contagious so that's what I'll be wearing.

Also, screw the WHO and the unquestioning news media for saying masks don't help. They seem to genuinely think we're all retarded.

No, they aren't.

From most effective to least effective it goes something like this.

Full face mask or hood with powered filtered air supply. (PAPR)

Full face mask with P-100 filters
Full face mask with N-100 filters

Half face mask and goggles or face shield with P-100 filters
ditto ... N-100
P-100 disposable mask with check valve and soft pliable face seal.

....

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Then way way way down the list are the N-95 disposable masks.
Which will pretty much guarantee you will get the virus, as 5 to 20% of the air you breathe will leak around the sides. (according to rigorous tests performed).

Is an N-95 better than nothing? Yes. A little better than nothing.
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Does anyone have sources for N95's that aren't sold out or price gouging?

Kind of a dumb question, but I have a friend who is an older guy with pre-existing conditions and as luck would have it, he has zero protection. I feel bad because he's a good dude but not the most resourceful type of guy. Plus he has to get around on public transit, which I advised him is the worst idea.

My family is covered, but I can't ask them to give up their modest supply. So I figure the least I could do is look around for him and throw him a bone. He's already got a full plate as it is.
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It's been over 3 weeks since I've been around anyone but my family. Have no intention of changing that. Have no need to wear a mask. I've got a 3M PAPR, but that's a little extreme. Also a 3M multi gas vapor P100 60926 that I use for sanding G10 and micarta. I'd rather stay home than shave my beard.
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It's been over 3 weeks since I've been around anyone but my family. Have no intention of changing that. Have no need to wear a mask. I've got a 3M PAPR, but that's a little extreme. Also a 3M multi gas vapor P100 60926 that I use for sanding G10 and micarta. I'd rather stay home than shave my beard.
I think we're about a week or two away from seeing PAPR's in the wild....
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Masks are to keep you from giving disease, not getting disease!
They help with both.
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Chelsea Clinton should be wearing TWO masks...
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Does anyone have sources for N95's that aren't sold out or price gouging?
Good Luck. Really.

Pharmacy's and even hardware stores selling dust masks have been asked to pull their product and send it to healthcare workers.
So even if people haven't been buying up your local stores they're probably out.

I've not been able to find any more since late February.

Maybe whip up a few quick homemade masks? There are some nice patterns online. Some require sewing.

They're better than nothing and at the absolute least they function well as a physical reminder not to touch your face.
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No, they aren't.

From most effective to least effective it goes something like this.

Full face mask or hood with powered filtered air supply. (PAPR)

Full face mask with P-100 filters
Full face mask with N-100 filters

Half face mask and goggles or face shield with P-100 filters
ditto ... N-100
P-100 disposable mask with check valve and soft pliable face seal.

....

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Then way way way down the list are the N-95 disposable masks.
Which will pretty much guarantee you will get the virus, as 5 to 20% of the air you breathe will leak around the sides. (according to rigorous tests performed).

Is an N-95 better than nothing? Yes. A little better than nothing.

I went to the local Walmart during senior hours yesterday morning. About 20% of the people were wearing surgical masks / face diapers. They have to be far less effective than N95 masks. Surgical masks are also what the majority of medical personnel at hospitals are wearing.

From what I've read, the virus itself is not airborne. The small droplet mist from a cough or sneeze can contain the virus and may stay airborne for up to a couple of minutes. The idea is to stop the droplets.

The N95 has to be better than the surgical masks and better than nothing at all.

The larger problem may be contaminated objects such as groceries, gas pump handles, and paper currency.

Some people I know are using a disinfectant called Spray Nine. It's used for disinfecting restaurant equipment. You can still find it in some auto parts stores where it is sold as a degreaser. I found some in a Pep Boys auto parts store.

Spray Nine

Spray None is on the EPA list of approved coronavirus disinfectants. The advantage is that Lysol and most other disinfectants take 5 minutes or more of contact to kill the Chinese virus. Spray Nine works in 30 seconds. It appears to be much more effective than most of the other disinfectants on the EPA list. Spray Nine is currently on page 3 of this list.

Disinfectants for Use Against SARS-CoV-2

There is a run on this product, so if you can find it you might want to pick some up. I plan to use this on mail, currency, and shipped boxes. I'm using 91% alcohol on food packaging.

Spray Nine is normally found at Home Depot and many other places, but most of the supply is gone.

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They're better than nothing and at the absolute least they function well as a physical reminder not to touch your face.
Exactly. Touching your face is a big factor. Some of the surgical masks I've seen people wearing cover their faces from ear-to-ear.
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Chelsea Clinton should be wearing TWO masks...
Actually two paper-bags
Make that three
Two for her in case one breaks
One by the door for unexpected visitor who cannot unsee things
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They help with both.
They do that, but the original purpose is to keep others safe.
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Holy crap... check what I said about PAPRs....

I just saw this on eBay...

a 3m versaflo brand new in box complete kit... $14,000

.... and there's 5 days left to bid!

https://www.ebay.com/itm/3m-versaflo...d0d8%7Ciid%3A1
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