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Old 03-19-2020, 05:13 PM
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Because there are certain rights citizens have that non citizens don't? And the citizens paid into the system that provides this care?
Based on what the world's greatest propaganda ministry tells us, you're correct.
Ironically, the law says otherwise.
"All men have Creator endowed rights that governments were instituted to secure..."
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"Those who consent to be governed surrender all rights in exchange for privileges and immunities." (i.e. "Civil and political liberties" aka "constitutional rights")
. . .
The fact that "all men have rights" does not exclude the illegal immigrant.
But it does exclude the citizen. (WTF?!)

Citizens have mandatory civic duties that abrogate endowed rights. This has been part of the law since day one.
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However, if we wish to discourage illegal immigration the best remedy is to abolish socialism and all socialist taxes on labor and industry. Without socialism (freebies) there is no advantage for anchor babies. Without socialist taxes, administrative overhead, etc, there is no advantage to hiring non-Americans.
Unfortunately, the Ministry of Public Truth has kept Muricans in the dark about the 'voluntary' nature of FICA. There is no law compelling participation nor punishing non-participants. If there were, FICA would be involuntary servitude and unconstitutional. Unfortunately, few Americans are aware of their choices in this matter.

And if all taxes on American labor and industry were abolished, expatriate industries would rush back to the USA in a NY minute. The irony is that there would a huge labor shortage and a demand for 'guest workers'.
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You do realize that they are still human beings right? We give even psychopathic murderers in prison access to life saving medicine if they require it, so why would we deny it to someone here illegally?
In times of emergency, it's up to government, not doctors to make decisions critical to the health and safety of the Citizens of the United States. Doctors will treat any patient.

AND, it's not just ventilators or hospital beds. Every aspect of healthcare will be denied to American Citizens when hospitals are overwhelmed, including life saving drugs, procedures and even the attention of the staff itself.

A) It's a SHTF caliber emergency and it's war.
B) Illegals will be a problem if not deported.
C) Hospitals are safe havens for illegals. FACT.

Intelligent people are well known for foreseeing a problem by associating seemingly unrelated items. Well, I'm here to tell you there is enormous risk by having illegals remain here. While there is zero downside to mass deportation.
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Old 03-19-2020, 06:22 PM
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A lot of illegal immigrants pay taxes too you know. There is also a lot of citizens who don't pay taxes. Also in most cases tax money isn't paying for ventilators at hospitals, but insurance is. Going by your logic, shouldn't an illegal immigrant with valid insurance get priority over a US citizen without insurance? And poor US citizens who don't have insurance nor pay taxes, those we should just let them die?

Also this plan doesn't even make sense. If you think there is 30 million illegal immigrants in the US, you are talking about removing 10% of the US population. You are going to remove 10% of the entire population? It would be easier, cheaper and faster to build more hospitals, train more health care workers and make more ventilators than trying to remove 10% of the current population. Not to mention the massive economic damage removing such a large number of people would cause to the economy. As if we don't have enough issues with the economy right now, you want to go in and pound on it some more.
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A lot of illegal immigrants pay taxes too you know. There is also a lot of citizens who don't pay taxes. Also in most cases tax money isn't paying for ventilators at hospitals, but insurance is. Going by your logic, shouldn't an illegal immigrant with valid insurance get priority over a US citizen without insurance? And poor US citizens who don't have insurance nor pay taxes, those we should just let them die?

Also this plan doesn't even make sense. If you think there is 30 million illegal immigrants in the US, you are talking about removing 10% of the US population. You are going to remove 10% of the entire population? It would be easier, cheaper and faster to build more hospitals, train more health care workers and make more ventilators than trying to remove 10% of the current population. Not to mention the massive economic damage removing such a large number of people would cause to the economy. As if we don't have enough issues with the economy right now, you want to go in and pound on it some more.
Internet protocol says you end such a post with something such as <snark>
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You do realize that they are still human beings right? We give even psychopathic murderers in prison access to life saving medicine if they require it, so why would we deny it to someone here illegally?
THEIR government may have an responsibility to proved for the illegal __________ but I and the US does not have such. They need to GO HOME NOW. AND stay gone.
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Everyone should do like I am and simply ignore that poster. It took me about 3 or 4 of the individual's posts to realize we're dealing with a tonk-defending leftist troll. Writes about being a *libertarian* but displays all the ideologies of a leftist.

We shouldn't be having this problem with all of the illegals in this country but we do as we've both sides of the political aisle to blame for it. For different reasons.
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You say you want to expel 10% of the people from our country, and have no problem standing around doing nothing while people suffocate to death and some how I am a troll? What is your logic there? That I secretly go around in the internet telling people that human life has value in order to annoy them? Why is that even a thing that would upset people?
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Old 03-20-2020, 01:39 AM
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The last straw will be if the dot gov sends them all $1,500 checks.

Maybe a check for each SS number they have stolen.

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