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I gotta come clean with you all. ....I just need to vent.

I am finding it more and more difficult to walk in Love toward the Democrats and basically any Liberals that side with BLM, ANTIFA, etc., in this country. They are allowing our country to come apart at the seams, by accepting and not condemning all the violent riots and crime from the mob. I despise everything they stand for. They are unGodly, tools of satan, in my opinion.

I'm just tired of tolerating many around me that are Socialist and Marxist sympathizers. Meek and mild is not the direction I am inclined to take moving forward. I want to start being blunt with the deceived and just tell them they are going to hell with the believing they are embracing. "You're a dead man, going to hell!"

As I type this, I am realizing that I need to love the person, but it is ok to hate their words, actions and beliefs.

It's just going to be really tough on Christians with every passing day. This planet is NOT heading toward a better, more loving and empathetic society. It is headed toward more hate and the Democrats are fueling the fire. This planet is headed in a direction to best facilitate the reign and rule of the anti-christ and a horrible season of the end of days.

Ugh... guess we simply need to pray more.... rejoice more.....

and...... quit watching the damn TV.


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Walk in righteousness. Somehow our skinny jeans wearing evanjellocal churches have convinced people that love is the tolerance of evil, and that the more you tolerate evil the more loving you are.

It is not loving to allow Democrat rioters to (B)urn, (L)oot, and (M)urder.

“But if thou do that which is evil, be afraid, for he beareth not the sword in vain; for he is the minister of God, an avenger to execute wrath upon him that doeth evil.“

Romans 13:4

Remember that in our system of governance as set forth in the Declaration of Independence, we the people in a citizens militia are those ministers.
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I am not a fan of dogs, or rodents, cornered and rabid are my worst nightmares... and the left remind me a lot of rabid animals. No reason, no logic, just raving, dangerous to be around.

Being wary does not mean I hate them. I am praying for them daily that is part of my routine...but do I associate? No. I have some very casual Facebook relationships with distant relatives but anyone not blood or by marriage is getting deleted.

One woman I know posted a blm post about a black woman who broke traffic laws and got pulled over "didn't feel safe" with a black officer and sitting in her nice SUV outside of her home, you cannot reason with a woman like that or anyone who allies themselves. No sense of accountability. I broke a law and had to pay the price. None at all. And that is very dangerous.

I pity them because my beliefs say they are in for the tribulation. That will make this year look like nothing. But I don't associate with them unless forced (work, transportation).

One good friend is liberal but is low key about it, we don't discuss. He will tease me a little about "my" president but that is all. I love him to pieces, he is born again but we come from different places. But I don't worry about him and when I have called he has been there.
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OP...that must be a real quandary.

While I was raised religious as a kid I gave it up long ago. You can not afford to hesitate with misgivings when things go to hell and shooting starts.

If you ever join up with a group that is in a battle, work behind the scenes in support if you are going to have trouble working up front. If you are on your own and not with a group, then you only have to answer to yourself.

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OP...that must be a real quandary.

While I was raised religious as a kid I gave it up long ago. You can not afford to hesitate with misgivings when things go to hell and shooting starts.

If you ever join up with a group that is in a battle, work behind the scenes in support if you are going to have trouble working up front. If you are on your own and not with a group, then you only have to answer to yourself.

Good luck!
Good points for me to respond.

My 'struggle' is for the here and now, doing my best to follow the instructions of Christ. Come armed conflict/battle.... that's a whole different conversation.

My grandfather fought in WW1 and my dad fought in WW2.... They were both, very, very strong Christians and believed they were fighting evil ideologies.

If there is a WW3 or CW2 before we are snatched out of here.... I will fight with passion, because I am a patriot and because I will be fighting an evil ideology. I will not be in the back, behind the scenes.... I will lead from the front.

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I gotta come clean with you all. ....I just need to vent.

I am finding it more and more difficult to walk in Love toward the Democrats and basically any Liberals that side with BLM, ANTIFA, etc., in this country. They are allowing our country to come apart at the seams, by accepting and not condemning all the violent riots and crime from the mob. I despise everything they stand for. They are unGodly, tools of satan, in my opinion.

I'm just tired of tolerating many around me that are Socialist and Marxist sympathizers. Meek and mild is not the direction I am inclined to take moving forward. I want to start being blunt with the deceived and just tell them they are going to hell with the believing they are embracing. "You're a dead man, going to hell!"

As I type this, I am realizing that I need to love the person, but it is ok to hate their words, actions and beliefs.

It's just going to be really tough on Christians with every passing day. This planet is NOT heading toward a better, more loving and empathetic society. It is headed toward more hate and the Democrats are fueling the fire. This planet is headed in a direction to best facilitate the reign and rule of the anti-christ and a horrible season of the end of days.

Ugh... guess we simply need to pray more.... rejoice more.....

and...... quit watching the damn TV.


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I don't walk in "love" towards Satan or any of his demons so I'm in agreement with your OP.

There may be hope for some Dems. There is the "Walkaway" Movement which brings joy to ones heart but I think there are lots of reprobate Dems who are completely and hopelessly lost in their evil, dangerous, counter-productive, and anti-Christ ideology. They seem to oppose anything and everything that represents goodness. Yes, we can continue to pray for them but I find myself (more often than not) praying for their demise. I pray for Christ's return with His angels and the cleansing of this earth.

Our Founding Fathers fought the "Dems" of their day with a Bible in one hand and a loaded musket in the other.
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I am finding it more and more difficult to walk in Love toward the Democrats and basically any Liberals that side with BLM, ANTIFA, etc.

They are unGodly, tools of satan, in my opinion.

I'm just tired of tolerating many around me that are Socialist and Marxist sympathizers.

As I type this, I am realizing that I need to love the person, but it is ok to hate their words, actions and beliefs.
Your theology is wrong. Tolerance is not a Christian virtue. Bishop Chaput points out that Evil demands tolerance, then when popular, condemns good.

"Love the sinner, hate the sin" is also bad theology. Click here for an explanation.


If a person is causing divisions in the community, warn him once; and if necessary, warn him twice. After that, avoid him completely
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Do not speak in the hearing of a fool, for he will despise the good sense of your words
Proverbs 23:9 (ESV)
“As a dog returns to its vomit, so fools repeat their folly.”
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I don’t believe loving your enemy means to do so unconditionally, or is without bound. And I’ve stopped categorizing the insurrectionists as Democrats. It’s not really Democrats, although they are complicit due to partisanship. The enemy is the radical progressive left that have hi jacked the Democrat party. We are to discern evil and to hate it. When I see these Marxists beating or hassling and elderly person for example, the thought of smashing in their evil, demonic skull with a 2x4 does not constitute murder in my heart to my understanding.
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I don’t believe loving your enemy means to do so unconditionally, or is without bound. And I’ve stopped categorizing the insurrectionists as Democrats. It’s not really Democrats, although they are complicit due to partisanship. The enemy is the radical progressive left that have hi jacked the Democrat party. We are to discern evil and to hate it. When I see these Marxists beating or hassling and elderly person for example, the thought of smashing in their evil, demonic skull with a 2x4 does not constitute murder in my heart to my understanding.
Unfortunately, the Democrat Party seemed more than willing to be hijacked. Their Old Guard leaders jumped right on board with very little arm-twisting.
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"I am finding it more and more difficult to walk in Love toward the Democrats and basically any Liberals that side with BLM, ANTIFA, etc., in this country. They are allowing our country to come apart at the seams, by accepting and not condemning all the violent riots and crime from the mob. I despise everything they stand for. They are unGodly, tools of satan, in my opinion."

Perhaps we need to change our perspective of "love" towards those we deeply despise. I do not believe God wants us to love them for their wayward ways but to love the sinner, not the sin. You can love someone without emotional attachment..one of the hardest lessons for me was to learn to pray for my enemies, or for those I truly hated. I simply prayed to God and told Him that as an act of will (not emotion) I was being obedient and praying for my enemies....wishing they find peace, contentment, and love instead of fruitlessly chasing after power, lust, and other various evils. I even pray for Hillary C nightly, and I am totally convinced she sold her sold her soul to you-know-who for the chance to run for president. How ironic, that she did not make it. (I can imagine S telling her....read the fine print, you signed on for the chance to run but there is no guarantee of winning".) However, I digress...I pray for her, the biggest enemy I have, by asking God to open her heart to His love, open her mind to His wisdom and bless her spirit with His peace. What she does with it is not my department, but I can always hope she will see the light. I find that works as a way to love (and pray) for my enemies, and those I do not agree with (vehemently) and even those who hate me. It has done wonders for me, as well, for in praying for my enemies, I lost the anger and rancor that fed my hatred toward them. I now see them as tragically misled and decieved. Funny how that works. Keep the faith; God is not mocked, He does not sleep.
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I think one thing that is being missed on this thread is that we are dealing with "other worldly" forces here. There is a distinct reason why Satan is called the "Great Deceiver".

So many of these protestors are being deceived and it is by lack of Faith.

It is our job and Christians to pray for these people and take every opportunity to educate them about God.

That being said......I would direct everybody here to Psalm 144.

Slowly but surely the Light will overtake the darkness.

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Having been a preparer for years, I have long believed in this country reaching the point of loss of our society as we know it. Being prepared also means the willingness to PROTECT the things we deem necessary to protect. I have a huge MORAL/SPIRITUAL Dilemma when it comes to killing someone because they want to impose their rules on me or mine. Death is finite. As a licensed minister, I also care about ETERNITY, even for those that dont seemingly deserve mercy.
So what will I do? I do find comfort in praying for those that are surely not seeking God's will, nor are they helping their fellow man. If I look Death in the face, I ask God to help me make the right decisions, to give me wisdom in those moments. I am fully capable of shooting, and I have God's SPIRIT whom I try to let control me. Many times in history God sent his people into battle. Sometimes, He allowed NO SURVIVORS, not even the spoils were to be kept. But every situation is different.
I think of Arthur Blessitt, a christian preacher carried a cross across the world. He tells a story of a situation where he was on a street here in the US, biker body guards, when a crazy man starts screaming at him and brandishing a knife. He comes running at Arthur, and Arthur turns and tells his guards to hold back. Arthur knelt with the cross and prayed as the crazy man ran up on him. Arthur says he could almost feel the knife going in, but then heard the man sobbing and kneeling with him. That man was saved that day, as God used the scenario to get his message across. We just never know. Doing God's will is the most important thing. Having blood on our hands is sometimes necessary. Likewise, violence is not always the answer! I too have the DILEMMA!
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Hawgy, I'll try not to write a book in response to your post.
I share the same dilemma....what I think you are referring to is a civil war where one American is firing on another. That is something pretty horrible to think about.

There is plenty of Biblical scripture written on this. There is also "Just War" doctrine.
I believe the US Constitution to be a divinely inspired document that will protect you for some time to come.

In the 80's I lived on Miami....the city I was born in....now overrun with crime and drugs...I carried then and on more than one occasion I had to draw a firearm to defend and protect....sooner or later I knew that my luck was going to run out and I moved away.

The issues we face now are different but none the less have their Biblical answers.

I'm sure you have been seen all the attacks on Christian Churches here in the US over the past 2 months.....you have seen ANTIFA and BLM both threaten Churches and Church goers.

You have also seen the same group come onto people private property and threaten them.

You yourself will have to determine what you will do to defend your family, Church and your faith when being attacked.

One measuring stick you can use with your moral dilemma......ask yourself "Am I acting out of defense or aggression".

One is permitted the other is not.

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Likewise, violence is not always the answer!
Our feminized society has forgotten that violence is always an answer.

Watched a survival show, Alone Season 6. A woman captured a squirrel alive. Starving to death, she knew she needed the nutrients the squirrel meat would provide.

Holding the terrified squirrel in her hands, she became overwhelmed with emotion, not wanting to do what had to be done.

The squirrel took advantage of her emotional weakness and plunged his teeth into her hand, deep into the soft tissue between thumb and index finger. The show provides each contestant with First Aid supplies. Her hand was profusely bleeding and her First Aid supplies were used.

Cat said about a month ago and rightfully so that anyone can find anything they want in the Bible. In this morning's devotional reading, I read in 1 Corinthians 1:10, which is somewhat at odds with Psalm 75:2. What is our objective? We are naturally burdened when 'keeping the peace' is at odds with acting righteously.

In my view, it is the difference between PROCESS and GO TIME (or judgement time, voting day, etc). We can talk with love all we want but in the end, we have to decide. Where do we stand? Inevitably, people will be lost. Our job is not to save them. Our job is to point to the way as we head there ourselves. It's up to them if they want peace and life or torment and death.

Said in more vulgar terms, you cannot pick up a turd by the clean end! Violence begets violence. If the people want violence, they will get it. Amen.


My dear friends, as a follower of our Lord Jesus Christ, I beg you to get along with each other. Don’t take sides. Always try to agree in what you think.
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At the set time that I appoint I will judge with equity.
Psalm 75:2 (ESV)
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The O/P is asking a really important question
Jesus was 100% about Loving all humans and it is a requirement not an option

Yet, we are confronted with liberals, statists, socialists, communists, muslims et al, who all, for various reasons, hate all that I cherish as good, beautiful, beneficial, right and honorable here on earth.

They demand more than tolerance but actual submission and obedience to their ideologies
Moreover, they give back nothing but scorn and hatred

If it were so easy to love our enemies, it would take zero faith to do so
Jesus asked us to love those who hate us

Some here obviously are unwilling to do so and like to talk tough
And ignore the most fundamental teaching given to us directly by our Lor and Savior Jesus Christ

In the end it is not what would Jesus do, but rather
What would Jesus have you do ????? !!!!!

This is an elementary but difficult to personify teaching directly from Jesus

Luke 6:31 et seq

Love Your Enemies
…31Do to others as you would have them do to you. 32If you love those who love you, what credit is that to you? Even sinners love those who love them. 33If you do good to those who do good to you, what credit is that to you? Even sinners do the same.…
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There is nothing I hate more about Christianity today than the ubiquitous invoking the idea of love divorced from specific action or even worse, as a manipulative tool. It goes like this, if you love X, you'll do Y.

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Some here obviously are unwilling to do so and like to talk tough
There is such a thing as tough love. We all know the final destination of some will be thrown into the Lake of Fire. Tough love --> Tough talk, yes?

Just today in my devotional reading, the study note for 1 Corinthians says God loves us too much to leave us the way we are. Given this, I'm not sure how you suppose the love of our enemies in this case should be manifested?
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God's children do not have the burden to suffer fools.*
• Do not be unequally yoked with unbelievers. For what partnership has righteousness with lawlessness? Or what fellowship has light with darkness? 2 Corinthians 6:14
• Now the works of the flesh are obvious: … enmities, strife, jealousy, anger, quarrels, dissensions, factions, 21 envy... Galatians 5:19-20
• After a first and second admonition, have nothing more to do with anyone who causes divisions. Titus 3:10


* Biblical verses on fools.
“The mouth of a fool brings ruin near.” Proverbs 10:14
IF Black lives mattered to BLM, they’d be protesting in Chicago every weekend, where so many Blacks are killed by other Blacks. (55x more Blacks kill other Blacks than Whites kill Blacks).

The wise of heart will heed commandments, but a babbling fool will come to ruin. Proverbs 10:8 (NSRV)
There is so much to say about this. George Floyd’s death was universally condemned. The police were indicted in the fastest indictment in the county’s history. There was nothing systemic about it.

What does George Floyd’s death have to do with stealing TV’s? Killing a retired Black police chief or a mother in front of her fiancé? Or burning buildings in different states?
You shall not bear false witness against your neighbor. Exodus 20:16 America is not racist. Trump is not racist. Police are not racist.
You shall not murder. Exodus 20:13 See retired Black police officer killed by BLM. See mother killed in front of fiancé for saying to BLM ‘mostly’ peaceful protestors that All Lives Matter.
You shall not steal. Exodus 20:15 See looting.
You shall not defraud your neighbor Leviticus 19:13 Social justice Leftism poison has infected too much of our culture. Can’t watch sporting events without people offensively kneeling when the National Anthem is played. Star Wars has turned into a Social Justice disaster. It’s even affected science and math classes. See vid of college students walking out of a biology class as professors discuss the many biological differences between men and women.
Voltaire said to know who has the power in society, all you have to know is who you are not allowed to criticize. All criticism against Blacks or women is automatically deemed racist or sexist.
Do not speak in the hearing of a fool, for he will despise the good sense of your words
Proverbs 23:9 (ESV)

Being offended by statues put up before you were born shows profound infantilizing of adults. The solution is not to take down statues our ancestors put up to honor people for their reasons, but put more statues up provided it has the popular support of the people in our pluralistic society.

“As a dog returns to its vomit, so fools repeat their folly.” Proverbs 26:11
Blacks have always been victimized by the Democrat Party, who fought the civil war to keep them slaves; formed the KKK to terrorize Blacks when their slaves were freed; implemented Jim Crow laws to keep them 2nd class citizens; opposed the end of segregation (Democrat Governor Wallace blocked the doors of Black students entering schools) and more Republicans than Democrats voted for the 1964 Civil Rights Act.

Now, for half a century Democrats, have destroyed the Black family and culture via addiction to public assistance, aka “The War Against Poverty.” More % Black slaves in 1865 had children in marriage than in the 21st century. The Black ‘gansta’ culture is ruinous.
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You say you do not believe in Jesus, so why beef about instruction intended for Christians and not for you ?????

To confllate God's judgment with your own is a queer notion indeed
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Tough love --> Tough talk, yes?

.... I'm not sure how you suppose the love of our enemies in this case should be manifested?
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You say you do not believe in Jesus, so why beef about instruction intended for Christians and not for you ?????
How about you answer my question rather than make me the subject of this thread?

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To confllate God's judgment with your own is a queer notion indeed
Not at all. IF we are going to broach politics, we ought to follow the role model. That is, begin with judgment on the political issue.
  • Public Policy A - Support
  • Public Policy B - Oppose
  • Public Policy C - Oppose
There is a lot of virtue signaling in our feminized society about people 'having a voice' and a national 'conversation.' That is PROCESS. At the end of the day, we have to stand against the forces of darkness. That is, say no. Judge with equity their globalist, communist agenda.

This responsibility of ours to take a stand is not made less important because our enemies have been infantilized and have a temper tantrum when they are told no.

Be brave. Answer my question: how do you suppose the love of our enemies in this case should be manifested?
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