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I worry that Trump has do deeply ruined the Rethugs that a lot of undecided people are willing to pinch their nose on 2A just to get rid of that whack-job. I've long since argued that both of the corporate parties are like professional sports teams, and they horse-trade the issues, or operate like a football draft. Each gets to pick stances on issues, some being reasonable positions. But then you get down to unreasonable positions (anti-environment, anti-2A, anti-single-payer health care, etc.) and the Bilderbergs or whoever work in the backroom make them continue picking stances until none are left. These poisoned positions appear to be par for the course.

So long as to continue to vote left-right you'll get some poison along with the bargain.
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I worry that Trump has do deeply ruined the Rethugs that a lot of undecided people are willing to pinch their nose on 2A just to get rid of that whack-job. I've long since argued that both of the corporate parties are like professional sports teams, and they horse-trade the issues, or operate like a football draft. Each gets to pick stances on issues, some being reasonable positions. But then you get down to unreasonable positions (anti-environment, anti-2A, anti-single-payer health care, etc.) and the Bilderbergs or whoever work in the backroom make them continue picking stances until none are left. These poisoned positions appear to be par for the course.

So long as to continue to vote left-right you'll get some poison along with the bargain.
the rest of us live in the real world.

and frankly, the LP has been putting up garbage candidate after garbage candidate for years. i'd almost as soon vote for gary johnson or jorgensen as i would for biden. there simply are no perfect candidates. so among the only-human people we have to choose from, i'll choose the one who isn't actively trying to destroy my way of life, which while not perfect, is about as good as i can expect in 2020
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If Jorgenson wins it would be a huge victory for 2A supporters.
And giving a million dollars to every American would make every American a millionaire.

But that ain’t gonna happen either.

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I don't think that he will gain any points with gun confiscation since so many Democrats have bought guns in the past 6 months.
Nope. As soon as they think the riots are over, most of them will revert back to “guns are bad, and my house is less safe if I have a gun in it” mode.

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I just dont see gun bans as being a sellable issue. Look at the sales of ARs in the last 150 days. You cant FIND one to buy hardly. Semi auto pistols to first time buyers are through the roof. These riots, in my opinion, have ended that debate with the majority of people. I dont doubt if they get power, they will try confiscation. BUT the people have had a huge bucket of ice water thrown in their face this year. It has made MORE gun enthusiasts, not less. Keep mouthing that crap, Uncle Joe
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I just dont see gun bans as being a sellable issue. Look at the sales of ARs in the last 150 days. You cant FIND one to buy hardly. Semi auto pistols to first time buyers are through the roof. These riots, in my opinion, have ended that debate with the majority of people. I dont doubt if they get power, they will try confiscation. BUT the people have had a huge bucket of ice water thrown in their face this year. It has made MORE gun enthusiasts, not less. Keep mouthing that crap, Uncle Joe
If Biden wants to win he needs to back down on gun bans, if he loses it will be because he puts too much emphasis on guns.
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I just dont see gun bans as being a sellable issue. Look at the sales of ARs in the last 150 days. You cant FIND one to buy hardly. Semi auto pistols to first time buyers are through the roof. These riots, in my opinion, have ended that debate with the majority of people. I dont doubt if they get power, they will try confiscation. BUT the people have had a huge bucket of ice water thrown in their face this year. It has made MORE gun enthusiasts, not less. Keep mouthing that crap, Uncle Joe
I agree that it probably won't sell in the election, but there's so much uncertainty this year, nothing can be ruled out

once power is achieved, nothing need be sold to anyone
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the rest of us live in the real world.

and frankly, the LP has been putting up garbage candidate after garbage candidate for years. i'd almost as soon vote for gary johnson or jorgensen as i would for biden. there simply are no perfect candidates. so among the only-human people we have to choose from, i'll choose the one who isn't actively trying to destroy my way of life, which while not perfect, is about as good as i can expect in 2020
Biden's anti-2A stances are a deal-breaker for me. I wonder if he's getting money from Bloomberg to run such an anti-2A agenda. It's not coming from any sort of populist grassroots source, so far as I can tell. Even the Washington Post slammed him:

"Bidenís gun control plan is terrible for working class firearm owners
It will put them at risk while doing little to curb gun violence."
https://www.washingtonpost.com/outlo...ntrol-poverty/

And Trump is nuts all around. This IS the real world. I'm not planning on voting, I can't endorse either of them.

If Trump wasn't so crazy, there's a good chance that Minnesota might become a red state. Our Democratic Party is actually the DFL (Democratic-Farmer-Labor). But the Democrats have turned their back on farmers and many labor issues. And every time they even mention the word guns, they lose votes from farmers and union guys who are weekend sportsmen. I don't get it myself, I honestly believe that Bloomberg -- or someone -- is helping Dems, and one string attached is being strongly anti-2A. I see no legislative advantage, and it makes no sense to limit guns from law abiding people who aren't part of the problem. There's something else driving this stance.
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Say adios to your AR's and AK's.....

Maybe say goodbye to your Mini14.....


A vote for Biden means adios to your semi-autos. A vote for a 3rd party, maybe Libertarian, is a vote for further gun control.

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Today? A vote for just about anyone is a vote for fewer Constitutional rights and more Socialism. Time to flee to the woods.
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Biden's anti-2A stances are a deal-breaker for me. I wonder if he's getting money from Bloomberg to run such an anti-2A agenda. It's not coming from any sort of populist grassroots source, so far as I can tell. Even the Washington Post slammed him:

"Bidenís gun control plan is terrible for working class firearm owners
It will put them at risk while doing little to curb gun violence."
https://www.washingtonpost.com/outlo...ntrol-poverty/

And Trump is nuts all around. This IS the real world. I'm not planning on voting, I can't endorse either of them.

If Trump wasn't so crazy, there's a good chance that Minnesota might become a red state. Our Democratic Party is actually the DFL (Democratic-Farmer-Labor). But the Democrats have turned their back on farmers and many labor issues. And every time they even mention the word guns, they lose votes from farmers and union guys who are weekend sportsmen. I don't get it myself, I honestly believe that Bloomberg -- or someone -- is helping Dems, and one string attached is being strongly anti-2A. I see no legislative advantage, and it makes no sense to limit guns from law abiding people who aren't part of the problem. There's something else driving this stance.
The irony of Trump is that he's about as far from crazy as you can get compared to politicians of the recent past. The fact that he IS so common sense is what makes the left hate him so much. The left's platform is a stand against fiscal reality, biological reality, scientific reality, social reality. The portrayal of "crazy Trump" is just another fiction created by the liberal media, by people who think pedophilia isn't all that crazy an idea.
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And now that the crap is cleaned up in this thread..... and hopefully not starting again....


Let’s get back to the topic and discussing it like actual adults please.
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If Biden wants to win he needs to back down on gun bans, if he loses it will be because he puts too much emphasis on guns.
Thing is Biden might stop talking about guns and yet still want to implement controls...If Biden were to come out now and soften his stance or express a change of heart, the democrats would eat him alive...they do that ya know...
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Thing is Biden might stop talking about guns and yet still want to implement controls...If Biden were to come out now and soften his stance or express a change of heart, the democrats would eat him alive...they do that ya know...
All he has to do is what Obama did, focus on something other than guns.
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The Progressive/Socialist/Democrat mindset is never satisfied with what they have achieved. The normal liberal response to any accommodation or political achievement is, "Thanks for that, now here's what I want next."

If Biden/Harris get elected and they get away with "assault weapons" bans/confiscations, then they will simply continue their march toward no guns and/or regulate ammunition sales and/or tax them so heavily that you simply can't purchase it. Unanswered raw power that is not resisted will simply breed more power grabs.
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All he has to do is what Obama did, focus on something other than guns.
LOL...he could and that might turn out to be just as bad or worse...If you like your Doctor you can keep your doctor, sound familiar...it might be better all the way around if he stuck to stumping for gun control.
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