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Old 01-13-2020, 05:25 AM
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I really can't understand why people get all upset about a few sick people in another country. Even if 5000 die , it's still not much compared to the 7 billion and growing humans on this planet.
It would take at least a few percent of humans to get it, before I even consider worrying about it
With the speed and frequency of travel these days, you're only going to get a bit of warning when the next pandemic starts before it's in your neighborhood. If it starts in China or anywhere else the authorities believe in suppressing bad news, you'll hear about it after the fact, when it's already spread and in the incubation period before it erupts.
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As long as the transmission chain is limited, we're safe
Unless the virus mutates.
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With the speed and frequency of travel these days, you're only going to get a bit of warning when the next pandemic starts before it's in your neighborhood. If it starts in China or anywhere else the authorities believe in suppressing bad news, you'll hear about it after the fact, when it's already spread and in the incubation period before it erupts.
Indeed.

I'm not saying that THIS is the next plague, but this is the kind of news that will come at the start of the next big one.

First it will be a dozen people in China. Then it will be thousands, then it will be one person in some US city a five states away.

Then it will be your neighbor.
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It seems MANY new deadly human virus's develop in China. I guess massive amounts of human, cattle, goats, duck & pig waste/crap etc running into a fairly warm rural pond creates a perfect environment for such things to mutate into what they do.
Like a primordial poop soup!
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If it turns out to be nothing, consider it a good practice drill for China's health system.
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It seems MANY new deadly human virus's develop in China. I guess massive amounts of human, cattle, goats, duck & pig waste/crap etc running into a fairly warm rural pond creates a perfect environment for such things to mutate into what they do.
Yep, that and totally unsafe food production and handling such as the practice of feeding aquaculture fish and shrimp pig sh*t which is done in southern China and Vietnam. And then the shrimp are exported to Western markets.

Anyone ever see a meat display at a Chinese supermarket?
https://cdnph.upi.com/collection/ph/...-China_4_1.jpg

Notice there's no wrapping and no sneeze guard over the display so the little boy can fondle the meat and spread his germs. It's not even in a cooler for Confucius' sake! It's as though their food safety technology is about where the U.S. was in 1920.
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Its spread to Japan now:
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Unless the virus mutates.
Until the virus mutates. And that's pretty much inevitable.
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So if 5000 people in the US died of this illness.... would that be a reason to get upset?
So far we haven't panicked with the regular stuff even though these are the numbers for this season.

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CDC estimates that so far this season there have been at least 9.7 million flu illnesses, 87,000 hospitalizations and 4,800 deaths from flu.
https://www.cdc.gov/flu/weekly/index.htm

I guess the news will determine how upset people get unless the mortality rate of this strain is significantly higher than normal and pushes it into a pandemic category. Otherwise you'll probably need significantly more than the 80,000 people dying in the US in 2017 from flu and complications from flu illness to cause too much of a issue.

TB and Measles are making a comeback here thanks to our friends crossing the southern borders and no panic yet.
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TB and Measles are making a comeback here thanks to our friends crossing the southern borders and no panic yet.
While it might be great politics to blame this on people crossing the border, this is a home grown disaster. The TB cases being seen in places like LA are mutated strains that are not responding to antibiotics. The measles cases are the result of idiots who think it is better to let your kids catch the disease than to use a vaccine. (This are the same people who complain that big pharma won't cure cancer because there is no money in it).
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Let’s not sidetrack the thread with who to blame for what. Keep on topic please
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Another outbreak in China announced today.
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Is it zombies or vampires?

Place your bets!
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Is it zombies or vampires?

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Can I bet on "fairies?" Lol! Just kidding.
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In all seriousness, while I agree it's smart to keep an eye on these sorts of outbreaks, it would take an awfully serious bug to make a real threat and dent. Well over 50k people EACH YEAR die here in AMERICA alone from the flu.

So a major bug would have to be significantly worse to cause a panic or serious issues. You know, I DO wonder why and how we haven't gotten a big pandemic. It's been over 100 years since the last major threat and impacting bug (The Spanish Flu). How is that even possible? Have we really gotten to the point where we can stop these bugs or our systems are immune enough that it can't happen? Dumb luck? Over 100 years seems an awfully long time to just be lucky. But I don't understand how else this can be explained.

Anyone have any good reading on the subject that explains why it hasn't happened but is still likely to happen in the future?
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[email protected] only 3 airports. Brilliant!

Because travelers absolutely won’t be coming in via other connecting cities abroad.

Dumbarses!

Not to worry, they’re from the government & will be there to help.
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[email protected] only 3 airports. Brilliant!

Because travelers absolutely won’t be coming in via other connecting cities abroad.

Dumbarses!

Not to worry, they’re from the government & will be there to help.
Well, to be fair, that's how it usually works. Travellers are not known to take the longest and most time consuming routes they can. Therefore they screen at any airport that does service connections to and/or from the affected area. Yeah, if some traveller (and it would almost certainly have to be deliberately) travels around to some weird route so they can be coming in from say Canada instead of China they could be missed. But it's not very likely. They have to react to these issues while not having a completely blank checkbook to work with, remember.

If something super serious like the old Spanish Flu was hitting and killing people by the tens of thousands, you might well see screening at ANY international airport. In fact, you almost certainly would then.
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In all seriousness, while I agree it's smart to keep an eye on these sorts of outbreaks, it would take an awfully serious bug to make a real threat and dent. Well over 50k people EACH YEAR die here in AMERICA alone from the flu.

So a major bug would have to be significantly worse to cause a panic or serious issues. You know, I DO wonder why and how we haven't gotten a big pandemic. It's been over 100 years since the last major threat and impacting bug (The Spanish Flu). How is that even possible? Have we really gotten to the point where we can stop these bugs or our systems are immune enough that it can't happen? Dumb luck? Over 100 years seems an awfully long time to just be lucky. But I don't understand how else this can be explained.

Anyone have any good reading on the subject that explains why it hasn't happened but is still likely to happen in the future?
Vaccination & “herd” immunity. So far. Less seasonal mutations.

In our area, most flus are “B” strains. Less virulent, but will still knock a healthy adult on their butt. Far far less “A” strains, this season, so far, because the vaccine was a decent match to the expected A strains.

However, a viral calamity will occur. IMO.

Won’t take much to be economically devastating either. From a % fatalities standpoint.

If an easily community transmitted viral disease were, say 5% fatal, with a much higher % critically ill, yet survivable. All of the developed countries would be done, economically.

If said disease simply killed outrite that 5%, without any others requiring skilled care, far less economically devastating.

Wash your hands & stop touching your face...
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Vaccination & herd immunity. So far. Less seasonal mutations.

In our area, most flus are B strains. Less virulent, but will still knock a healthy adult on their butt. Far far less A strains, this season, so far, because the vaccine was a decent match to the expected A strains.

However, a viral calamity will occur. IMO.

Wont take much to be economically devastating either. From a % fatalities standpoint.

If an easily community transmitted viral disease were, say 5% fatal, with a much higher % critically ill, yet survivable. All of the developed countries would be done, economically.

If said disease simply killed outrite that 5%, without any others requiring skilled care, far less economically devastating.

Wash your hands & stop touching your face...
Oh yes, I agree. 5% of the world dying would definitely throw a HUGE monkey wrench into the world engine. Spanish Flu was only 3% of the population and we still speak of it with awe.

Or if we want to REALLY talk worst case, something like Ebola mutating to be not only airborne, but as contagious as say a cold or flu and that would pretty much do it. Super high terror factor for the public as well.

Well, I hope it never happens, even though the odds say it's almost certain at SOME point! Good advice on not touching your face! I hope I'm still working from home if and when it happens!
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