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I have an AR-10 on which I want to mount a night vision scope. A reasonably priced scope.

This is not for sniping at offending liberals! .

My 60 acre tract up in east Texas is infested with wild hogs and I want to make an attempt to eliminate the species. I can look up scopes, but I'd rather hear from people on this forum that have actually used some of these scopes.

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I have the ATN X-Sight II HD 5-20 it's an ACTIVE scope.
Meaning it needs an IR Illuminator.
I really like this scope.
It's heavy not for patrolling.
Here is a youtube I have shooting 100yards at night.
It's on top of my C308.
LOTS of videos out there about it.
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I have the ATN X-Sight II HD 5-20 it's an ACTIVE scope.
Meaning it needs an IR Illuminator.
I really like this scope.
It's heavy not for patrolling.
Here is a youtube I have shooting 100yards at night.
It's on top of my C308.
LOTS of videos out there about it.
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By "active" do you mean I need a separate IR illumination lighting up the target? The price is a lot lower than I expected and the target area is just fine for what I want to do. I am not planning on lugging it around, just elevated stand shooting. The hogs gather around my pecan and walnut trees right next to my 1 acre pond. But having to have a separate piece of equipment might not be optimal for hogs that move out of the direct illuminator

Interested in this one. Thanks for responding
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Correct the IR Illuminator is just a larger penlight that attaches to the side of the scope.
Of course, you can get away...there are some huge IR Illuminators out there.

YES is a lot cheaper than when I got mine was almost $800.

This is the one that came with it and it's good out to 150 yards +/-




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I'm not up on the current market, but a MINIMUM is US Gen 2.

I've used 1, 2, 3, and "3+" (there's some **** out there that will SCARE YOU that at the time at least quite literally had armed guards. I got lucky and was "with someone" and got to test it.... after signing a document that means tats all I can say.)
-several years sgo, so it's probably in common useage now.


2 minimum. (And US 2 is different than Russian etc)
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Spot light em. Thats legal in Texas. You can just drive around and catch em in the headlights. Perty EZ!
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"REASONABLY priced " is always a relative term. If the scope is for regular use for hunting, security and/or self-defense, you want to get the best you can afford.

Everyone's situation is different and if you really need Night Vision, maybe think about getting more, by paying more.

In traditional Night Vision, about the best a civilian can get is a PVS-14, which can be weapon mounted or helmet mounted. For situation awareness, if you're moving around at night, the ability to helmet mount the scope is very important. If you are going to be in a static position, weapon mounted is cheaper as you don't need another NV capable optic or an aiming laser.



The PVS-14's on Optics Planet are priced between $2,099 to $5,099 on optics planet. Weight is around 11 ounces. On the low ($2k) end this is about what a nice bolt gun and optic would end up costing. So is this "REASONABLY priced ", for some the answer is, "Yes".

Another alternative and perhaps better solution, might be to look at the new thermal units that are coming out today. Thermal has come way down in price and can also be used during the day to identify hidden animals/people, etc. The only downside to thermal is you're going to have to weapon mount it, as the optic doesn't see lasers or a scope reticent, just heat. They do make really small units now for helmet or handheld use, but these can't be weapon mounted.


FLIR Scout

The FLIR Scout starts at $599 on up. Weight 6 ounces.

The FLIR Scout is within just about all budgets and it is a quality unit that will last and has service and support that is not going away anytime soon. Military, Police and other professionals rely on FLIR as a daily used tool. Something to seriously consider.


FLIR Breech

The new FLIR Flir Systems Breach PTQ136 is really small and has great picture quality and starts at $2,495. The unit weighs around 8 ounces.

To me, to ability to identify threats both day and night, its hard to argue against Thermal imaging. Also if you live in an urban area and are going from dark to night, headlights from cars, etc. Night Vision is going to struggle and may not be able to detect threats because of all the light pollution. Thermal doesn't care about light, only heat, so it is unaffected.

Police Magazine Article

http://www.policemag.com/channel/tec...l-imagers.aspx

Thermal also allows you to use and practice during the day, as it can't be damaged by bright light. So someone hiding behind cover or concealed, can be detected during both day and night with a Thermal scope. To me this is a huge advantage, which is why you see police using these hand held units to search for suspects trying to hide or evade.

Yes the Night Vision units come with a "Pin Hole" cap for day use, but that is mostly used to zero the optic and they can and will shut down if too much light gets through the pin hole.



For a Thermal Rifle Mounted Hunting Scope, the FLIR Systems Thermosight Pro PTS233 1.5-6x19mm starts at $2,199 and features all the latest technology. The Hog Hunters seem to all be going for Thermal Imaging now, I don't hunt myself, however they have lots of videos/discussion forums of their own that you might wanna check out.

Thanks for the post, everyone who is serious about prepping needs some sort of way to see in the dark.
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"REASONABLY priced " is always a relative term. If the scope is for regular use for hunting, security and/or self-defense, you want to get the best you can afford.

Everyone's situation is different and if you really need Night Vision, maybe think about getting more, by paying more.

In traditional Night Vision, about the best a civilian can get is a PVS-14, which can be weapon mounted or helmet mounted. For situation awareness, if you're moving around at night, the ability to helmet mount the scope is very important. If you are going to be in a static position, weapon mounted is cheaper as you don't need another NV capable optic or an aiming laser.



The PVS-14's on Optics Planet are priced between $2,099 to $5,099 on optics planet. Weight is around 11 ounces. On the low ($2k) end this is about what a nice bolt gun and optic would end up costing. So is this "REASONABLY priced ", for some the answer is, "Yes".

Another alternative and perhaps better solution, might be to look at the new thermal units that are coming out today. Thermal has come way down in price and can also be used during the day to identify hidden animals/people, etc. The only downside to thermal is you're going to have to weapon mount it, as the optic doesn't see lasers or a scope reticent, just heat. They do make really small units now for helmet or handheld use, but these can't be weapon mounted.


FLIR Scout

The FLIR Scout starts at $599 on up. Weight 6 ounces.

The FLIR Scout is within just about all budgets and it is a quality unit that will last and has service and support that is not going away anytime soon. Military, Police and other professionals rely on FLIR as a daily used tool. Something to seriously consider.


FLIR Breech

The new FLIR Flir Systems Breach PTQ136 is really small and has great picture quality and starts at $2,495. The unit weighs around 8 ounces.

To me, to ability to identify threats both day and night, its hard to argue against Thermal imaging. Also if you live in an urban area and are going from dark to night, headlights from cars, etc. Night Vision is going to struggle and may not be able to detect threats because of all the light pollution. Thermal doesn't care about light, only heat, so it is unaffected.

Police Magazine Article

http://www.policemag.com/channel/tec...l-imagers.aspx

Thermal also allows you to use and practice during the day, as it can't be damaged by bright light. So someone hiding behind cover or concealed, can be detected during both day and night with a Thermal scope. To me this is a huge advantage, which is why you see police using these hand held units to search for suspects trying to hide or evade.

Yes the Night Vision units come with a "Pin Hole" cap for day use, but that is mostly used to zero the optic and they can and will shut down if too much light gets through the pin hole.



For a Thermal Rifle Mounted Hunting Scope, the FLIR Systems Thermosight Pro PTS233 1.5-6x19mm starts at $2,199 and features all the latest technology. The Hog Hunters seem to all be going for Thermal Imaging now, I don't hunt myself, however they have lots of videos/discussion forums of their own that you might wanna check out.

Thanks for the post, everyone who is serious about prepping needs some sort of way to see in the dark.
You are correct, "reasonably priced" varies, person to person. I would say for my budget, $2,000 would be tops. Thanks for the input.
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Thanks to all for your input. I have decided to have the ATN X-Sight II HD 5-20 mounted on the AR-10 with the ATN IR 850 Pro IR Illuminator.

Thanks again guys, with any luck i'll start the slaughter in January.
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I have an AR-10 on which I want to mount a night vision scope. A reasonably priced scope.

This is not for sniping at offending liberals! .

My 60 acre tract up in east Texas is infested with wild hogs and I want to make an attempt to eliminate the species. I can look up scopes, but I'd rather hear from people on this forum that have actually used some of these scopes.

Thanks for your input.
How about an update?

Did you get some sort of night vision?
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I have an AR-10 on which I want to mount a night vision scope. A reasonably priced scope.

This is not for sniping at offending liberals! .

My 60 acre tract up in east Texas is infested with wild hogs and I want to make an attempt to eliminate the species. I can look up scopes, but I'd rather hear from people on this forum that have actually used some of these scopes.

Thanks for your input.
Thermal is the way for that activity.

That said, sometime early next year I plan to snag a PVS14 gen 3 WP tube and a MAWL.
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Is there a top rated forum someone could suggest that concentrates on night hunting varmints and predators.
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I have been happy with the sightmark wraith. At around $500 it has been well worth the price. Just wish we had more hogs to hunt as we seem to have almost cleared them all out.
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Keep in mind, that with all the digital scopes the image gets more grainy as you zoom.

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Keep on mind, that with all the digital scopes the image gets more grainy as you zoom.
And the "Field of View" get much smaller.
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And the "Field of View" get much smaller.
Well that's a given with any scope. Digital or optical.
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