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Old 06-02-2020, 10:37 AM
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it's against the law to use the military in a policing action. One of the caveats being an insurrection which for all intents and purposes is what is going on in some of the rioting locations.
read the insurrection act
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Old 06-02-2020, 10:41 AM
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I thought many of the members of this group really HATE the idea of the government sending "armed militias" against U.S. citizens?
I'm among them. I despise the use of the US Military against our own citizens.

Yet, here we are with an antifa/bolshevik revolution and violent blacks running amok, crippling, burning, destroying our cities, killing people, moving into residential areas. Blacks hordes in particular, completely unwilling to police themselves, when the bad actors among them misbehave, they encourage, rather than stop it. INTOLERABLE and uncivil.




EDIT: spoke with my very elderly Russian mother yesterday. Her words smacked me upside the head. Quote: Our family has been fighting bolshevik's for over 100 years. Failure to do so results in the Soviet Union.
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Agreed.

While President Trump gets Kudos for the number of things that he has already done for the right reasons, he also has performed a number of things that are inherently political...most notably with respect to Bump-fire mechanisms.

Don't be surprised if that EO is reversed if he's re elected.
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Antifa stands for anti-fascists'.

Ironic that they break out the glass and loot and burn businesses and churches.

Isn't this what the "Brown Shirts did in Germany in 1933?
"Antifascists" is laughable BS. In only the sense that fascists (of the classical Brownshirts of 1930s Italy/German National Socialists) were politically to the right of the classic Soviet pinkos. These antifa morons (including in the prog MSM) play that "fascist" is come "extremist" conservative Republican of the "right wing". BS.

Fascists (the Brownshirters) were only 2 degrees to the right of the Soviet commies (of the 30s) but were thus the enemy of Lenin/Stalin/etc. Rooooosevelt was about 2 degrees further to the right. (Then you get the classical feelgood liberal, center left, center, center right and the laissez-faire conservative).

NONE of these jackasses who are now in the streets (Prog, commie pinkos, Newage Fascists (antifascists), socialists etal) a whining, looting, etc believe in or respect life, liberty and private property. As in the Dec of Independence. Crush them now.
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it's against the law to use the military in a policing action.
No - it is not.

This will likely be a revelation to you....



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10 u.s. Code chapter 13— insurrection

§ 251. Federal aid for state governments
§ 252. Use of militia and armed forces to enforce federal authority
§ 253. Interference with state and federal law
§ 254. Proclamation to disperse
§ 255. Guam and virgin islands included as “state”



10 u.s. Code § 251. Federal aid for state governments

whenever there is an insurrection in any state against its government, the president may, upon the request of its legislature or of its governor if the legislature cannot be convened, call into federal service such of the militia of the other states, in the number requested by that state, and use such of the armed forces, as he considers necessary to suppress the insurrection.


10 u.s. Code § 252. Use of militia and armed forces to enforce federal authority
whenever the president considers that unlawful obstructions, combinations, or assemblages, or rebellion against the authority of the united states, make it impracticable to enforce the laws of the united states in any state by the ordinary course of judicial proceedings, he may call into federal service such of the militia of any state, and use such of the armed forces, as he considers necessary to enforce those laws or to suppress the rebellion.


10 u.s. Code § 253. Interference with state and federal law
the president, by using the militia or the armed forces, or both, or by any other means, shall take such measures as he considers necessary to suppress, in a state, any insurrection, domestic violence, unlawful combination, or conspiracy, if it—

(1) so hinders the execution of the laws of that state, and of the united states within the state, that any part or class of its people is deprived of a right, privilege, immunity, or protection named in the constitution and secured by law, and the constituted authorities of that state are unable, fail, or refuse to protect that right, privilege, or immunity, or to give that protection; or

(2) opposes or obstructs the execution of the laws of the united states or impedes the course of justice under those laws.
In any situation covered by clause (1), the state shall be considered to have denied the equal protection of the laws secured by the constitution.


10 u.s. Code § 254. Proclamation to disperse
whenever the president considers it necessary to use the militia or the armed forces under this chapter, he shall, by proclamation, immediately order the insurgents to disperse and retire peaceably to their abodes within a limited time.


10 u.s. Code § 255. Guam and virgin islands included as “state”
for purposes of this chapter, the term “state” includes guam and the virgin islands.
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Did anybody actually read revelation's quote?


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It's against the law to use the military in a policing action. One of the caveats being an insurrection which for all intents and purposes is what is going on in some of the rioting locations.
He/she clearly states that "One of the caveats" is insurrection. He's clearly saying that in this circumstance it is ok to use the military.
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Did anybody actually read revelation's quote?




He/she clearly states that "One of the caveats" is insurrection. He's clearly saying that in this circumstance it is ok to use the military.
Why read someones entire post when you can pick one part and jump to a conclusion opposite what the poster said? That's just silly! <end sarcasm>
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Did anybody actually read revelation's quote?




He/she clearly states that "One of the caveats" is insurrection. He's clearly saying that in this circumstance it is ok to use the military.

1. It's against the law to use the military in a policing action.

This statement is resolute with no ambiguity.

It is easily countered with a simple review of 10 US Code chapter 13, which provides the means for the POTUS to use the military in a policing action. Period.


2. One of the caveats being an insurrection which for all intents and purposes is what is going on in some of the rioting locations.

This is contradictory with the 1st statement.
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Texas could have sent Trump 1 Ranger.

But no , , He wanted the 82nd Airborne. La tee daa.
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Don't be surprised if that EO is reversed if he's re elected.
It isn't an EO.

27 CFR, Parts 447, 478, and 479, were amended to redefine Bump Stocks as automatic firearms; and as such, regulated under NFA.
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I thought many of the members of this group really HATE the idea of the government sending armed militias against U.S. citizens?
I thought it was against the law to use military against citizens?
Not when the president does it.
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Texas could have sent Trump 1 Ranger.

But no , , He wanted the 82nd Airborne. La tee daa.
Hell I had forgotten "One riot one Ranger". A company could control all of the cities having trouble.
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Texas could have sent Trump 1 Ranger.

But no , , He wanted the 82nd Airborne. La tee daa.
I think that Chuck has mostly retired. Probably busy on the border anyhow and no time to go up North.
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I think that Chuck has mostly retired. Probably busy on the border anyhow and no time to go up North.
Texas has more than 1 ranger, I wasn't talking about Chuck. He's retired.

Plenty more rangers in Texas.

If your city is under siege, we can send you 1 ranger to handle it.
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One Riot One Ranger, or so the saying goes.

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Not when the president does it.
Yet another idiotic statement by someone who continues to talk out his ass.
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Yet another idiotic statement by someone who continues to talk out his ass.
After he is on ignore it is a lot nicer if his posts are not shared.
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It isn't an EO.

27 CFR, Parts 447, 478, and 479, were amended to redefine Bump Stocks as automatic firearms; and as such, regulated under NFA.

Appreciate the clarification.
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Yet another idiotic statement by someone who continues to talk out his ass.
After he is on ignore it is a lot nicer if his posts are not shared. [IMG class=inlineimg]https://www.survivalistboards.com/images/smilies/biggrin.gif[/IMG]
Exactly. Just pretend you run Twitter or something.
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Exactly. Just pretend you run Twitter or something.
Ignoring is an individual choice. Anyone can do it and should do it if they want to.

What twitter does is censor so that nobody, neither individual nor group, can hear a message.

There's a big difference in the two.

Of course for some reason, I doubt you see that difference.
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