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Old 02-29-2020, 03:59 PM
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You dont need a scope for 500 yards. I take my M1 Garrand, and my bud takes his M1a.
Shooting at what?

All a person has to do is wear dull colored clothing and sit down and stop moving at 200 yards to be effectively invisible. Its why 'assault' rifles where adopted so quickly when they where, without optics, long range high power rifles are wasted as the human eye can't come close to matching the ballistics of the weapon. No point in having a gun that can shoot further than you can see.

Hitting a nice black metal plate at 500 yards is not a big deal.

FINDING something to shoot that isn't a target is a whole different story. Scopes are not for aiming. Anyone can aim a rifle. Scopes are for SEEING what you are trying to AIM at.

Even scopes are pretty poor at that, which is why spotters have 60x + glass to find the targets with and then give reference points that the shooter with his 10-20x scope can actually see.
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THAT is the message I was trying to relay.

"When I was 19, I did a guy in Laos from a thousand yards out. It was a rifle shot in high wind. Maybe eight or even ten guys in the world could have made that shot. It's the only thing I was ever good at."
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5.56 x effective range is short of 1320ft (440 yards). Same with 7.62x39 (1050 ft (350yards)

Scopes break. Besides 500 yards is child's play with the right rifle. The M14 has reissued because the m16s were not getting the job done. We used M16s with 4x scopes a top the charging handles in the jungle. The 4x should have been 2x for field of view.

At 500 yards with a bolt gun in 30-06 (what I use) or 308, and I can pin down a platoon of op4. Been there done that. (spotter carries a semi auto same caliber)

If you want more bullets, then the M1 class firearms are all you need.
We practice every month, standing and hitting targets at 550 yards. It is boring.
OPEN SIGHTS, I have a national match rear peeps, my bud has USGI rack sights on his.

Vari power scopes are for advanced shooters. We use 6x, and 10x fixed. In fact the scopes we use on our bolt guns are US Navy contact scopes sold though SWFA.

You dont need a scope for 500 yards. I take my M1 Garrand, and my bud takes his M1a.
We can shoot all day until our arms get tired, or pure boredom sets in.
In city fighting is close range in may cases. In the towns in Afghanistan the offense fighters feared the shotgun more than rifle fire. Nine 30 plus caliber pellets coming at them at one time. Made them fear the shotgun. City fighting give me a shotgun.

Home defense give me a shotgun.
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In city fighting is close range in may cases. In the towns in Afghanistan the offense fighters feared the shotgun more than rifle fire. Nine 30 plus caliber pellets coming at them at one time. Made them fear the shotgun. City fighting give me a shotgun.

Home defense give me a shotgun.
The only weapon that all men and animals fear is the flame thrower. Nothing else comes close.
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Having survived an explosion, I fear really big booms...
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Assuming we stay, and wanting ammo and long guns to be affordable, im looking for recommendations for reach out and touch at 1000 to 1500 feet. Targets will be the band of thugs, not well organized/armored types. Id like to have 2 or 3 rifles in a common caliber, perhaps 1 more for further distances. 223 is perhaps the smallest id go.
Buy Mossberg Patriot Rifles in 6.5 creedmoor. They are bolt action, removable mag, Tupperware stock and adjustable trigger pull..It’s a sub-moa rifle. Specs say they hold 4+1, but actually they’re 5+. You can buy them for $3-$350. 6.5 creedmoor accurately does 1000 yard without effort and it can be purchased online for $0.50 per. round on ammoseek.com. Install a Walmart 20x scope for $85 and with some practice you could be good to 1000+.

I wouldn’t advise engaging an advisory @ 1000, but the Mossberg Patriot in 6.5 CM is more than capable.
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Having survived an explosion, I fear really big booms...
If you hear the big boom it usually means you are alive.
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Shooting at what?
OD green upper half body targets. It would be more boring if you could see them.

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Home defense give me a shotgun.
and for us old coots who gave their shoulders to the army decades ago?
I had to pad and load down even the 45/70.
Thats why we use a 357 mag, even the wee sized Mrs Wire can handle it.
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The only weapon that all men and animals fear is the flame thrower. Nothing else comes close.
Good to know. I haven't perfected mine yet but it seems to work alright

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If you hear the big boom it usually means you are alive.
Obviously...
Two of us went to the hospital, I was released and the other guy stayed, he soaked up most of the blast. Doc said if I had caught the brunt of the blast I'd have lost a leg. TPTB chalked it up as a training accident, the dept. picked up the tab for medical and we all kicked the can a little further down the road.
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Obviously...

Two of us went to the hospital, I was released and the other guy stayed, he soaked up most of the blast. Doc said if I had caught the brunt of the blast I'd have lost a leg. TPTB chalked it up as a training accident, the dept. picked up the tab for medical and we all kicked the can a little further down the road.
Overseas that's a purple heart.

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The only weapon that all men and animals fear is the flame thrower. Nothing else comes close.
Daggone right. Works on everything from freedom hating muzzies to Corona virus toting chinamen.

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My ole man an island hopper in WWII said, look at all the flame thrower pics. You will see the others far away form them. When the tank goes up, so does everyone around it.
Diesel and stewed cabbage made him vomit even in the 60s.
Burnt stewed cabbage smells like burnt bodies.
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Daggone right. Works on everything from freedom hating muzzies to Corona virus toting chinamen.

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Civilian side of things are a bit different, TPTB would get together annually and hand out commendations, a citation bar for your dress uniform and of course a luncheon afterwards. The admin excelled at doing luncheons, best part of the whole deal...LOL

As for training accidents they expected you to rub some dirt on it and get back to work. Sure they'd cover any medical expenses but mostly they wanted you back on the job.
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OD green upper half body targets. It would be more boring if you could see them.



and for us old coots who gave their shoulders to the army decades ago?
I had to pad and load down even the 45/70.
Thats why we use a 357 mag, even the wee sized Mrs Wire can handle it.
I have access to more given time.
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I believe any preps one makes (to repel raiders) is going to be pretty basic. If you think about it, without credible intel, which might be hard to come by one is left with best guesses and taking shots in the dark.

Perhaps the worst thing one can do is assume to know where the (raider) threats will come from. Best to keep an open mind to possibilities other than the obvious.

My raider preps and my basic preps are pretty much one in the same. I don't prep anything special just for raiders.

FWIW, Survival is as much a mental exercise as it is a physical one. Keep your wits about you, always have a plan B and keep you head on a swivel...
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...and if the folks who came around the corner before you left you chalk marks on the ground, it might be advisable to pay them heed....
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Get a .308 bolt action, a Mil-Dot scope and learn how to use the Mil-Dot to range find.
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