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Clearly foreign policy isn't Barry's strong suit...
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Ground zero for what? What nation is going to build a nuke and immediately use it to start a war that they can't win?

Iran might be crazy, but they ain't stupid. They are ran by religious fanatics that use religion for control, the Mullahs don't actually believe anything they say. It's all for the masses. Just like here.

So no, Iran is on the list of things that I don't worry much about (being abducted by aliens, the Kardashians, being struck by lightning)... And not on the list that I do worry about (Military industrial complex, Prison industrial complex, Financial industrial complex, Big pharma, infrastructure, providing good jobs).
Not to be argumentative but you don't know much about Iran's reasoning. When Mahmoud Ahmadinejad was president of Iran I listened to his speeches whenever I could. You don't think the MSM reports this stuff accurately do you? You can find it if you want to.

It is clear they want to start WW3. All non muslim believers against the muslims. They believe that most everybody will be killed in the encounter including devout muslims who will go straight to paradise. In the end the Madi wins and the world is ruled under Sharia and their god is vindicated as the one true god.

So yes in our POV they are both crazy and stupid. It's what this is all about.
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I couldn't care less if Iran has nukes, everyone else does (has nukes that is).
Everyone else doesn't think it's instant heaven with 72 virgins if you use one.
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Ground zero for what? What nation is going to build a nuke and immediately use it to start a war that they can't win?

Iran might be crazy, but they ain't stupid. They are ran by religious fanatics that use religion for control, the Mullahs don't actually believe anything they say. It's all for the masses. Just like here.
Here is the thing. You are interpreting what Iran says and does through your atheistic western mindset. What objective evidence do you have from the Iranians that this is the case?
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I think if anyone would use a nuke or give it to a terrorist organization it would be Iran. If they use it on Israel like they want we get involved. If they use it on America I think this is win win for Russia and China. They let somebody else use nukes on us and absorb the retribution. They can either then attack us themselves or come in and mop up under the guise of aide.

Anyway you look at it, it doesn't do the world any good for any more countries to have nukes. The nuclear bombs and nuclear energy that are already here cause enough problems.
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As noted by others, everyone in the world understands that Israel possesses nuclear weapons. Their policy of non-confirmation/non-denial has always been a charade, but one with a purpose.

Not being a declared nuclear armed power allows Israel to somewhat shrug off demands for inspection, reduction, or forced signatory adherence to international WMD programs. Legal stuff, financial stuff, trade/treaty obligation stuff, etc. IAEA, UN, Trade Zone, & World Court stuff.

This little "reveal" by the US Administration is a fit of pique designed to throw ankle level political tangle-foot at Israel. Something to cause them diplomatic hassles, technology embargos, or monetary inconveniences down the road.

Childish crap flinging.
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As noted by others, everyone in the world understands that Israel possesses nuclear weapons. Their policy of non-confirmation/non-denial has always been a charade, but one with a purpose.

Not being a declared nuclear armed power allows Israel to somewhat shrug off demands for inspection, reduction, or forced signatory adherence to international WMD programs. Legal stuff, financial stuff, trade/treaty obligation stuff, etc. IAEA, UN, Trade Zone, & World Court stuff.

This little "reveal" by the US Administration is a fit of pique designed to throw ankle level political tangle-foot at Israel. Something to cause them diplomatic hassles, technology embargos, or monetary inconveniences down the road.

Childish crap flinging.
Also something that allies don't do to allies.....
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Everyone else doesn't think it's instant heaven with 72 virgins if you use one.
It's actually a curse, not a blessing. Because after about the first dozen virgins or so, you're going to want a pro.
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Well, we, the christian USA have killed more than a million people in the middle east over the last 20 years. How many has Iran killed? Based on the that, WE should fear ourselves more than Iran.

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Here is the thing. You are interpreting what Iran says and does through your atheistic western mindset. What objective evidence do you have from the Iranians that this is the case?
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It's actually a curse, not a blessing. Because after about the first dozen virgins or so, you're going to want a pro.
Especially when they find out that the virgins are their fellow jihadists, instead of women.
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Especially when they find out that the virgins are their fellow jihadists, instead of women.
Or worse:

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This little "reveal" by the US Administration is a fit of pique designed to throw ankle level political tangle-foot at Israel. Something to cause them diplomatic hassles, technology embargos, or monetary inconveniences down the road.

Childish crap flinging.
That was the intent by a petulant idiot, but the repercussions are bigger picture. Now Saudi Arabia has to publicly acknowledge that the power in the region is a Jewish state. Since they want to be the Muslim calming influence in the region, they will have to jump into a M.E. nuclear arms race now just to maintain the status quo. Which will never truly happen, the fact of nuke armed, religiously-opposed countries living that close will destablilize the region to some degree, which will be measured in the higher cost of barrels of oil AKA what we pay for gas.

This is where I cant figure the guy. Is he really such a blundering idiot? Or a mastermind, whose ultimate intent is to raise the price that Iran can sell their oil for? Hanlons razor points to the former.
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Poor little narcissistic baby barry throws a hissy fit and outs our ally.

What a piece of work this POS is.

I'm sure this has something to do with Iran refusing to sign nuclear deal.

http://www.breitbart.com/big-governm...-nuclear-deal/
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Well, we, the christian USA have killed more than a million people in the middle east over the last 20 years. How many has Iran killed? Based on the that, WE should fear ourselves more than Iran.
Care to break that million killed by Christian USA in the Middle East over the last 20 years (1995-2015)?

-By year,

-- then by country

--- then by campaign/battle

---- then by (closest) city where killing took place

To make it easy for you assume the USA is made up of only Christians.
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1 million was actually low balling it. Hell, let's spread more "freedom!"

"The Nobel Prize-winning International Physicians for the Prevention of Nuclear War and other groups examined the toll from the so-called war on terror in three countries—Iraq, Afghanistan and Pakistan. The investigators found the war has, directly or indirectly, killed around one million people in Iraq, 220,000 in Afghanistan and 80,000 in Pakistan, a total of about 1.3 million."
http://www.democracynow.org/2015/3/2...strikes_tikrit

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ORB_sur...War_casualties

http://www.globalresearch.ca/us-spon...ildren/5314461

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-By year,

-- then by country

--- then by campaign/battle

---- then by (closest) city where killing took place

To make it easy for you assume the USA is made up of only Christians.
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What was released isn't new, Israel and South Africa are said to have worked together on nuclear weapons projects throughout the late 70s 80s at one point SA had up to six functioning nukes but they were dismantled prior to ANC takeover. In 2009 I believe, SA released information on Israel's possession of nuclear weapons just no one cared or noticed.
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What could the harm be? Everyone knew it anyway except for the American people, who are still naive enough to think the stork brings babies.
You are the smartest guy...why don't you go save the world, so we don't have to read your crap.

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Ground zero for what? What nation is going to build a nuke and immediately use it to start a war that they can't win?

Iran might be crazy, but they ain't stupid. They are ran by religious fanatics that use religion for control, the Mullahs don't actually believe anything they say. It's all for the masses. Just like here.
You know who'd use nukes? Fanatics. As you point out...they run Iran.
You know who really truly believes their religions? Religious fanatics.

Your point here is baloney. You're just spouting bull. It's not even coherent, it's totally contradictory, and yet...you call Americans stupid?

Pot...meet kettle.

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.. And not on the list that I do worry about (Military industrial complex, Prison industrial complex, Financial industrial complex, Big pharma, infrastructure, providing good jobs).
That's because you are a nut job.


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Well, you keep an eye on Iran, and I'll keep an eye on the US .gov, and we will see which one screws the American people the most in the next 12 months.
Well, this time, you may be right. But that's just because Iran won't have nukes yet.

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Well, we, the christian USA have killed more than a million people in the middle east over the last 20 years. How many has Iran killed? Based on the that, WE should fear ourselves more than Iran.
Silly man. Let's go 30 years...they managed 800,000 plus in 8 years in the '80's. We don't even come close to that.
And you know darned well the U.S. isn't "Christian", that's just you talking crap.


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1 million was actually low balling it. Hell, let's spread more "freedom!"

"The Nobel Prize-winning International Physicians for the Prevention of Nuclear War and other groups examined the toll from the so-called war on terror in three countries—Iraq, Afghanistan and Pakistan. The investigators found the war has, directly or indirectly, killed around one million people in Iraq, 220,000 in Afghanistan and 80,000 in Pakistan, a total of about 1.3 million."

Don't forget the 500,000 kids.
Ppfffftttt. We killed more than that in Germany in WW2. And Russia tripled or quadrupled our numbers, as did the Germans themselves.

Give ISIS a few years, they'll beat our numbers by plenty.
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I couldn't care less if Iran has nukes, ....
That's because you are a fool.

"First, the mullahs' mouthpiece Ahmadinejad is unambiguous that the regime's goal is the destruction of both Israel and the U.S., having vowed at the "World Without Zionism" conference that "his eminency Imam Khomeini ... said that the occupation regime of Qods [Israel] must be wiped off from the map of the world, and with the help of the Almighty, we shall soon experience a world without America and Zionism, notwithstanding those who doubt." Second, his promise to annihilate these two nations, and to do it "soon," is coupled with a nuclear threat: "Today, the Iranian people is the owner of nuclear technology. Those who want to talk with our people should know what people they are talking to[.] ... If they have not realized this by now, they soon will, but then it will be too late[.]"

Ahmadinejad promises a second Holocaust by means that only a nuclear weapon could produce -- "[t]he Zionist regime...will be eliminated by one storm" -- followed by attacks on the West: "The rage of the Muslim peoples will not be restricted to the boundaries of our region[.] The waves of the explosion ... will reach the corrupt forces [i.e., the Western countries] which support this fake regime [Israel]."



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I wonder how many of the right wingers here were criticizing Ronnie Raygun when he traded arms to Iran in exchange for hostages.
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