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If the NEA is for it, I'm against it. If the NEA is against it, I'm for it. Pretty simple math there.....
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Why is the federal government getting involved in education at all? Last I checked, that wasn't one of their responsibilities. According to the tenth amendment, that is to be left up to the states.
I think it might be that way again soon... at least I am hoping.
Cancelling some unneeded and unConstitutional agencies and departments would sure be a good way to pay for those tax cuts I'm really wanting soon!
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I think a good many former Catholic taught students would argue this statement. Maybe, even with busted knuckle scars.
LOL, Catholic school survivor here, too!
For all the yard sticks across the knuckles, I got a top notch education and developed some discipline.
That's the real difference between secular and parochial educations. You actually learn in one of them...

Give these kids Saxon math, rote memorization and rigorous testing. Stop trying to engineer the outcomes so they're equal, and provide the education that children actually need and will be successful with.
Went to my youngest two's music program last week. Every song was in some other language... one African, one Chinese for God's sake. Another in Spanish. And the whole thing was about 'multi-culturalism and inclusion.'

And it sucked.

The only songs the kids sang well, were in - gasp! - English!
Imagine that... the kids sang best in their own language. They were the only ones they showed any enthusiasm for.

I get it, their music teacher is a sincere young fag, but really wouldn't surprise me if he's a cross dressing performer on the weekends. And the other teacher is a talentless, middle aged lib with a barely repressed penchant for interpretive dance... Welcome to public education, yeah.

Here's an idea, have the kids sing some classic kids songs. How about songs from the musical "Oliver?" They written for kids, and homo's like the musicals, right? Why not some patriotic songs? It's freaking Kansas for goodness sake.
I know, I want too much. Hoping it's going to change soon.
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Just another wusifcation of America.

Don't get me started on school buses either.
You had school buses???
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You had school buses???

No kidding! I grew up in the 'burbs, and you had to live 2 1/2 miles or more from school to get bus service.


Guess who was at 2 1/4 miles...
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If you grew up without dodge ball as a gym class sport then you lived in a wussified age.
DAMN STRAIGHT!!!!!!

Dodge ball taught "killer" instinct ..
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The case seems like it has pretty narrow consequences to me - unless the justices decide to start coloring way outside the lines and answering questions that the case doesn't ask.

The question seems to be whether a Christian non profit should get the same government benefits as other non profits for only-secular activities. Even if the answer is yes, that's a far cry from saying that the state should fund religious education.

With so many important cases that SCOTUS declines to hear every year, I'm surprised SCOTUS even agreed to hear this case.
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That's the real difference between secular and parochial educations. You actually learn in one of them...
Huh....guess me and the MILLIONS of people that went to secular schools and then went on to get degrees and/or have successful careers were just statistical anomalies, then.


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Give these kids Saxon math, rote memorization and rigorous testing.
That's great. For elementary school basic stuff.


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Stop trying to engineer the outcomes so they're equal,
I ABSOLUTELY agree with this part.


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and provide the education that children actually need and will be successful with.
There's the problem. What, exactly, is that education made of? Being able to do the times tables to 20X20, and factoring a quadratic? Diagramming a sentence? Maintaining small engines? Knowing that a mole isn't just a small rodent, nor a chocolate based chili Mexican sauce?

I like your idea, it's a great way to go...but we don't have a clue what that education involves, since everyone is sure the old stuff isn't good enough, and the new stuff is changing so fast.

Personally, I'm in favor of MASTERING the basics, as I think you are, then let the kids go to specialized training in their chosen area, much like the European model where they are done with "high school" by 16, and they start going into vocational training or college prep at that point.

But then...what would we do about high school sports?

Don't get me wrong, I'm a coach, there are lots of important lessons taught in sports...but the tail does wag the dog in far too many ways.



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Went to my youngest two's music program last week. Every song was in some other language... one African, one Chinese for God's sake. Another in Spanish. And the whole thing was about 'multi-culturalism and inclusion.'

And it sucked.
Holy cow...our music guy isn't young, and has a wife...but apparently he has the same ideas as yours.

It may be the new way to do things, but I won't go to another Christmas concert like that.
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Dodge ball taught "killer" instinct ..

We called it "Prison Ball" just to add to the real life lessons to be learned, and it ranked right up there with "Smear the Queer" in recess popularity.
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I have to pay property taxes on my vehicles ( we still renting for now) and half that money goes to my school district yet I have no kids in school yet.

The money is split between the schools in the county yet its obvious which school gets the most money (it isn't the largest one).

If I'm going to be forced to give money to the school district I should be able to choose which school it goes too.

Back to the OPs point though, a private school, religious based or not, still has to follow certain laws and teach the minimum curriculum that the state says (they simply can add classes that a public school cant) they have to or else the state doesn't recognize thier diploma. If the school has to follow state laws and the state curriculum then why should the be denied something donated to the state for the schools.
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Why is the federal government getting involved in education at all? Last I checked, that wasn't one of their responsibilities. According to the tenth amendment, that is to be left up to the states.
Use the lefty playbook against them. Incrementalism.

Get vouchers going nationwide for all schools. > Then get vouchers going for successfully completing home schooling. > Get more parents used to the idea of leaving a caregiver at home again to raise children on one breadwinner salary like the old days. > Watch school districts feel the crushing financial pain of voucher income loss. > Watch school districts finally embrace remote electronic education and start selling off valuable school lands. > Watch public education shrink to a 10th of its size and tax needs. > Watch teachers unions implode for lack of membership. > Incremental victory.

The key is to create fluidity that threatens entrenched public school hegemony. Public schools will either adapt or fracture. Their pet socialism agenda will be of less value than simply keeping the lights on.

If public schools figure out how to adapt in the face of honest competition then their survival might be a good thing, because they learned their lessons about what their customer base wants.

We are turning the tide on gun control with reverse incrementalism these days. For conservatives we should embrace the enemy incrementalism concept. It's closer to the way we prefer change anyway and the enemy has proven it works. Forget miracle law changes and just keep driving the libtards back on step at a time.
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Huh....guess me and the MILLIONS of people that went to secular schools and then went on to get degrees and/or have successful careers were just statistical anomalies, then... {snip}
I concede, my parochial school experience was my primary/middle school years. Went to a DOD school for HS.

Yes, you're right, millions of public school educated folks have become very successful, I hope my kids are among them.
BUT... we represent a time that is very different than now. Also, home life is much more of a driver than anything else.

Massive immigration (illegal and legal), liberal indoctrination in colleges (esp those that teach education), and the incessant drumbeat of liberal viewpoint from the media and the last eight years of Presidential administration have moved the education dial far, far to the left, to the detriment of our children.

Liberalism, in short, is failure.

Teaching liberalism, and more importantly structuring lessons and outcomes to achieve liberal outcomes, is denying our children the tools they need to be successful. It is failing our children. A number may get the tools necessary for success somewhere, but many of them aren't.

Hence the safe space, libtard population of our current colleges and universities. (Have you done many job interviews of new college graduates lately?? It'll make your head spin... )
These are adults who have no critical thinking skills, no maturity, no ability to deal with even the slightest perceived intellectual disagreement, and come out of college saddled with debt and unable to find any use for their stupid social science/whatever studies degrees...

They are basically useless, but thoroughly indoctrinated in nonsensical, demonstrably incorrect and completely fictional 'theories.' None of that crap is real, or of any application outside the safe echo chambers of the university.
The world doesn't need any more baristas with a BA in 'womens studies.' And 'blogging' isn't a job...

Do something that generates value for others, that's how you earn a living, and that's not what's being taught (even the building blocks at the lowest level) to our kids anymore.

Teach them to read well. Seems easy, right? When was the last time you saw a HS kid reading a book, and not their phone?
Teach them to write well. Being able to communicate in the written word is a vital skill being lost.
Teach them to speak well. For the love of God, please. No more allowing mush-mouth slang talk BS. And snapping fingers, are NOT a punctuation... English, do you speak it M-Fer?!?!
Teach them to add, subtract, do basic math without a calculator.
Teach them the basics of ACTUAL history, and ACTUAL science. Not gender fluid/black female ebonics slam poetry history... American history for starters. And chemistry, how stuff works in the physical world.
Teach them to balance a checkbook. To manage their money. To drive a car, cook a meal, iron some clothes for goodness sake... basic stuff that teaches effort = accomplishment.

Don't coddle those that fail, push them to do better. IF they can't, don't slow down the rest of the class to wait for them, get them into a program they can succeed at. Remedial, vocational, whatever.
Most of all, worry less about their 'feelings' and self esteem, and more about how they're going to feed themselves when they're adults.
It's not that hard, and we did it for generations. The only reason we're not now is because of liberalism...

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K-12 schools on military bases are rather good from what I've been told by service brats.
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I concede, my parochial school experience was my primary/middle school years. Went to a DOD school for HS.

Yes, you're right, millions of public school educated folks have become very successful, I hope my kids are among them.
BUT... we represent a time that is very different than now. Also, home life is much more of a driver than anything else.

Massive immigration (illegal and legal), liberal indoctrination in colleges (esp those that teach education), and the incessant drumbeat of liberal viewpoint from the media and the last eight years of Presidential administration have moved the education dial far, far to the left, to the detriment of our children.

Liberalism, in short, is failure.

Teaching liberalism, and more importantly structuring lessons and outcomes to achieve liberal outcomes, is denying our children the tools they need to be successful. It is failing our children. A number may get the tools necessary for success somewhere, but many of them aren't.

Hence the safe space, libtard population of our current colleges and universities. (Have you done many job interviews of new college graduates lately?? It'll make your head spin... )
These are adults who have no critical thinking skills, no maturity, no ability to deal with even the slightest perceived intellectual disagreement, and come out of college saddled with debt and unable to find any use for their stupid social science/whatever studies degrees...

They are basically useless, but thoroughly indoctrinated in nonsensical, demonstrably incorrect and completely fictional 'theories.' None of that crap is real, or of any application outside the safe echo chambers of the university.
The world doesn't need any more baristas with a BA in 'womens studies.' And 'blogging' isn't a job...

Do something that generates value for others, that's how you earn a living, and that's not what's being taught (even the building blocks at the lowest level) to our kids anymore.

Teach them to read well. Seems easy, right? When was the last time you saw a HS kid reading a book, and not their phone?
Teach them to write well. Being able to communicate in the written word is a vital skill being lost.
Teach them to speak well. For the love of God, please. No more allowing mush-mouth slang talk BS. And snapping fingers, are NOT a punctuation... English, do you speak it M-Fer?!?!
Teach them to add, subtract, do basic math without a calculator.
Teach them the basics of ACTUAL history, and ACTUAL science. Not gender fluid/black female ebonics slam poetry history... American history for starters. And chemistry, how stuff works in the physical world.
Teach them to balance a checkbook. To manage their money. To drive a car, cook a meal, iron some clothes for goodness sake... basic stuff that teaches effort = accomplishment.

Don't coddle those that fail, push them to do better. IF they can't, don't slow down the rest of the class to wait for them, get them into a program they can succeed at. Remedial, vocational, whatever.
Most of all, worry less about their 'feelings' and self esteem, and more about how they're going to feed themselves when they're adults.
It's not that hard, and we did it for generations. The only reason we're not now is because of liberalism...
I would go beyond the applied to the pure abstraction. That's where innovation, discovery, and invention come from. Teaching should be far less the imparting of knowledge, and far more a framework in which the student whets their appetites for discovery to the point of insatiability. Every student should be given an opportunity to re-invent the wheel, instead of being told what the proverbial wheel is and how it works. That's the incubator that hatches true innovators, but school systems won't do it because it isn't as easily quantified on standardized tests.
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Betsy DeVos, the new Sec of Education is an advocate for school vouchers... and abolishing the Jimmy Carter fiasco of the Dept of Education in its entirety...
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You should pay taxes into a school or education system, and then get a voucher.

That voucher is good for a school of your choice provide it meets standardized criteria. If you then homeschool, you get a tax credit for the amount you paid in. Homeschooled children are also subjected to routine testing and inspection to ensure standards and quality.

Math, science, languages, art, etc.
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You should pay taxes into a school or education system, and then get a voucher.



That voucher is good for a school of your choice provide it meets standardized criteria. If you then homeschool, you get a tax credit for the amount you paid in. Homeschooled children are also subjected to routine testing and inspection to ensure standards and quality.



Math, science, languages, art, etc.


I have no children and never will. Should I be forced to pay for schools?


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I have no children and never will. Should I be forced to pay for schools?
Yes, because you are in one of the last great social classes allowed to be abused at will.

Be unmarried on top of that and the sky is the limit. As a single male with no children I can be fleeced with utter impunity. If I speak out the married and the parents yawn. If I get obstinate about it they will forcefully put me back in my proper place.

So suck it up because there is absolutely no pity for our extra burden to support families and married folks.
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You should pay taxes into a school or education system, and then get a voucher.

That voucher is good for a school of your choice provide it meets standardized criteria. If you then homeschool, you get a tax credit for the amount you paid in. Homeschooled children are also subjected to routine testing and inspection to ensure standards and quality.

Math, science, languages, art, etc.
We homeschool and I would never allow a government assessment of any kind. If they tried to enforce it, there would be bodies, and I'm as serious as a ****ing heart attack. One can not turn to the source of a problem in search of a solutuon. This would be a massive step backwards.

By the way, before the obligatory accusations that I am only trying to cover for my incompetence, I have a 15 year old taking university credit extension classes and an 11 year old well ahead of her grade level. I wouldn't damn them to whatever capricious and arbitrary "standards" that a government panel might try to enforce.
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