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Threads started here a year or so ago said the Republican party was going to implode. They didn't, the Democrat party did. I hope the Republican party got the message that the people don't want progressives in charge and hopefully the conservatives will come forward like they were supposed to do.
Fact is the GOP was saved by one man: Donald Trump, who isn't a classic "conservative" but rather an "America First" patriot.

The Demos, on the other hand, were destroyed by their leadership becoming an unAmerican Socialist-Marxist-Communist-Muslim criminal combine.
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A discussion in another thread got me curious about where republicans, or independents for that matter, feel like conservatism in practice stands within the GOP today.

My thoughts are that the GOP is being given another chance here, not so much because the party has suddenly benefited from turning to conservatism in its actions, no, but because a sizable percentage of the public had had their fill of the progressive agenda. It is important to remember that the GOP had to be dragged by its hair, kicking and screaming to even acknowledge some of the core campaign issues that separated Donald Trump from the party consensus as well as most of the republican candidates (Rand Paul, etc, being the rare exceptions).

To me, the discussion about how conservatism is practiced within the party very rarely takes place on the front side of things. It usually comes on the heels of a loss, on the back side of a festering problem, as regret or ruefulness and then is quickly shelved so that opposition to the democrats can begin in earnest since that feels better than analyzing where the party lost its path. But if no lessons are taken from the defeats, how does the GOP, or more importantly, conservatism, regain its footing and advance ?

When we look back over the last decade, how has the GOP improved in its approach to conservative governance ?
I think a lot of people in the GOP have lost sight of what conservatism really is... And it took Trump to remind them.
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The Republican Party nominated for President a man who was a life-long, pro-choice, anti-gun Democrat until three years ago. And it wasn't even close. I think that's all that needs to be said to describe the state of conservatism in the Republican Party.
That's why I had a hard time voting for him. He hasn't been conservative over his lifetime.

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Fact is the GOP was saved by one man: Donald Trump, who isn't a classic "conservative" but rather an "America First" patriot.
I think this is why he received so many votes. People are tired of our government putting other countries first. Our country was founded for Americans and should be looking out for Americans. I can understand giving a helping hand to other countries, but if it is going to place our country at risk it makes no sense. Emergency services 101 teaches arrive alive. If you destroy yourself in the process of helping someone, you will not be able to help them. I think that is what happened with a lot of the free trade agreements. None are bad, all together they killed the economy. It's kind of like eating bread. Bite off a mouth full and you can chew it up and swallow it fairly easily. Shove a whole slice in your mouth and it becomes uncomfortable and difficult to chew it up and swallow it. One or two trade agreements until those countries are becoming equal and develop their own economies is ok, jobs migrate back here. All of the agreements and you kill jobs here and we lose buying power.
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So I thought I'd resurrect this thread to see where people were at with it now.

My own read on it hasn't changed much HOWEVER, I would add that, one of the positive changes I've noticed is that with conservatives the conversation now seems to be more about the critical importance of insisting potential candidates/reelects have a verifiable record of bringing it (conservatism that is) rather than just singing it.

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I thin Watchingtheweasels was correct: It took Trump to remind us what conservatism is... by doing the opposite.
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I thin Watchingtheweasels was correct: It took Trump to remind us what conservatism is... by doing the opposite.
Well BHU, WtW said the first part...

But you do bring up a very pertinent point, and that is what defines or describes comptemporary conservatism? If the answer to that is what was practiced under our last republican president, I'd say not much to hang your hat on there.

But, Trump ran on a platform that scorned and repudiated the beltway/Bush brand of conservatism in favor of a more populist/common sense version presumably more responsive to the current needs of the country and electorate and more confromtational to the democrats.
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Well BHU, WtW said the first part...

But you do bring up a very pertinent point, and that is what defines or describes comptemporary conservatism? If the answer to that is what was practiced under our last republican president, I'd say not much to hang your hat on there.

But, Trump ran on a platform that scorned and repudiated the beltway/Bush brand of conservatism in favor of a more populist/common sense version presumably more responsive to the current needs of the country and electorate and more confromtational to the democrats.
Is his 'version' of 'conservatism' Conservatism?
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Is his 'version' of 'conservatism' Conservatism?
Is the current version of Liberalism, Liberal, as defined by the platform of the past?
I don't think so which is why I now refer to them as Leftists. But I don't hear the Left redefining what they are called.

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Is his 'version' of 'conservatism' Conservatism?
Its a mixed bag overall. You know by now where I stand on things like spending, immigration, and a foreign policy railroaded by foreign interests. But I dont want to make this about Trump. He has a large role in steering current politics now but his time and influence will come and go. What comes after?
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In all honesty most of my views are close to libertarianism, which should never be confused with actual libtardism.

That said, I consider myself a Constitutionalist above all else, and believe protecting the 1A and 2A are most important.

Was raised conservatively, and have been exposed to all kinds of views, but think for myself.

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A discussion in another thread got me curious about where republicans, or independents for that matter, feel like conservatism in practice stands within the GOP today.

My thoughts are that the GOP is being given another chance here, not so much because the party has suddenly benefited from turning to conservatism in its actions, no, but because a sizable percentage of the public had had their fill of the progressive agenda. It is important to remember that the GOP had to be dragged by its hair, kicking and screaming to even acknowledge some of the core campaign issues that separated Donald Trump from the party consensus as well as most of the republican candidates (Rand Paul, etc, being the rare exceptions).

To me, the discussion about how conservatism is practiced within the party very rarely takes place on the front side of things. It usually comes on the heels of a loss, on the back side of a festering problem, as regret or ruefulness and then is quickly shelved so that opposition to the democrats can begin in earnest since that feels better than analyzing where the party lost its path. But if no lessons are taken from the defeats, how does the GOP, or more importantly, conservatism, regain its footing and advance ?

When we look back over the last decade, how has the GOP improved in its approach to conservative governance ?

It's my opinion that today's Republicans are farther left than the Kennedy era Democrats. The "Freedom Caucus" is about as far right as you'll find but, at best, they're slightly right of center. I can think of nobody in D.C. who aligns themselves with a true Conservative (hardcore Constitutionalist) -- someone like Thomas Jefferson. JMHO
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I am both a social and fiscal conservative. About the only time I agreed with any President was Ronald Maximus.

Since then, the Dems hate me (irredemable clinger), the Gop only wants to cash my check, and I dont agree with the libertarians on open borders, or social issues.

So I guess I migbt as well stay home and drink.
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My Congressman told me to my face that there is only a handful (he said less than 20) real conservatives in the entire Congress, and thatís why they canít get anything done at all.
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My Congressman told me to my face that there is only a handful (he said less than 20) real conservatives in the entire Congress, and thatís why they canít get anything done at all.
Pretty much what we all knew to be true. Most are bought and paid for by the US Chamber of Commerce.

This will explain it.

https://theconservativetreehouse.com...tion-business/

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All Democrats and most Republicans support mass immigration. Almost no DC politicians want to take action on any policy or legislation that stops the influx. There are billions at stake. None of the GOP leadership want to actually stop illegal immigration; itís a lucrative business. Almost all of the CONservative groups and politicians lie about it.
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The Republican Party nominated for President a man who was a life-long, pro-choice, anti-gun Democrat until three years ago. And it wasn't even close. I think that's all that needs to be said to describe the state of conservatism in the Republican Party.
And yet, he has done more for the country since being elected to office than the self-anointed "foot soldier of the Reagan Revolution" John McCain ever did.
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Conservatism was pushed out LONG ago. In fact, it is nearly dead today. Replaced with neoconservatism. An absolute blight upon America.
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Is his 'version' of 'conservatism' Conservatism?
Lol, no . . . and anyone with a lick of education in political ideology and theory knows that.
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Threads started here a year or so ago said the Republican party was going to implode. They didn't, the Democrat party did. I hope the Republican party got the message that the people don't want progressives in charge and hopefully the conservatives will come forward like they were supposed to do.
The above from 2016. The democrat party is the one imploding. The republican party has not gotten the message. It still opposes MAGA and all that it entails. They only talk tough when they are the minority. When they are in power (Congress) they go along to get along and leave their backbone at home.

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And yet, he has done more for the country since being elected to office than the self-anointed "foot soldier of the Reagan Revolution" John McCain ever did.
Considering the opposition from not just the democrats, the media, hollywood, the nevertrumpers, and the squishes in his own party, it's a freaking MIRACLE he's done what he has.

The republican party is SCARED TO DEATH of the media and what it says about them. Trump doesn't give a rip and gives it back to them in spades.

He calls them out, he labels them as "fake news", he names them as the ENEMY of the people. The republican party craps its drawers not only when the media says bad things about them, but when Trump fights back.

More recently when America-hating commie congress-things start attacking us and our values, he dresses them down as well.

And this is why we love him.
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