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Well, then I guess we just going to have to see then. The only thing thus far, I see stopping trump from winning is if this corona virus gets so out of control that his complete mismanagement of it illustrates why you need someone with competent leadership, not just an ongoing political campaign running the country.
President Trump is very unpopular right now. His approval ratings are about where President H.W Bush’s were in June of 1992. President Bush was not re-elected. President Trump is much farther behind Biden now than he was behind Clinton in June of 2016. The only thing stopping President Trump from winning is the fact that a healthy majority of Americans thinks he’s doing a poor job.

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The problem with Biden is that he cannot dis attach himself from the left that have went into crazed overdrive in the last few months.
The data show that is not a problem. Vice President Biden is ahead of President Trump and his lead has grown during the protests following George Floyd’s murder.
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There was people on Fox News today, talking about if Trump might consider dropping out because he is doing so badly in the polls. I personally don't think Trump would drop out, but it is interesting that Fox News, that is super pro Trump, would even ask that question.
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Here's my prediction, Trump will lose in November, put up a huge stink about getting robbed by mail-in fraud, then resign in December and have Pence pardon him and his family, then get indicted in NY for state crimes.

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It will be fun to watch.
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Well, then I guess we just going to have to see then. The only thing thus far, I see stopping trump from winning is if this corona virus gets so out of control that his complete mismanagement of it illustrates why you need someone with competent leadership, not just an ongoing political campaign running the country.
President Trump is very unpopular right now. His approval ratings are about where President H.W Bush’s were in June of 1992. President Bush was not re-elected. President Trump is much farther behind Biden now than he was behind Clinton in June of 2016. The only thing stopping President Trump from winning is the fact that a healthy majority of Americans thinks he’s doing a poor job.

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The problem with Biden is that he cannot dis attach himself from the left that have went into crazed overdrive in the last few months.
The data show that is not a problem. Vice President Biden is ahead of President Trump and his lead has grown during the protests following George Floyd’s murder.
It was the polls and the media that caused a trump victory the first time. They pushed and pushed the narrative that trump had no way of winning and every poll reflected that. So people didn’t bother to show up. Especially African Americans. So, you can show all the numbers you want, but at the end of the day people have to actually vote to reflect what the polls show.
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It was the polls and the media that caused a trump victory the first time. They pushed and pushed the narrative that trump had no way of winning and every poll reflected that. So people didnít bother to show up.
Right. Now Democrats KNOW President Trump can win. They will show up.
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Dems have it in the bag, itís so in the bag, they donít even have show up. Like last time.
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Dems have it in the bag, itís so in the bag, they donít even have show up. Like last time.
President Trumpís poor performance the last few years will make sure Democrats will show up.

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-u...-idUSKCN21X1AQ
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Trump put out this message the other day which should assuage any concerns from his supporters about polls showing him as behind.

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Sorry to inform the Do Nothing Democrats, but I am getting VERY GOOD internal Polling Numbers. Just like 2016, the @nytimes Polls are Fake! The @FoxNews Polls are a JOKE! Do you think they will apologize to me & their subscribers AGAIN when I WIN? People want LAW, ORDER & SAFETY!
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There was people on Fox News today, talking about if Trump might consider dropping out because he is doing so badly in the polls. I personally don't think Trump would drop out, but it is interesting that Fox News, that is super pro Trump, would even ask that question.
Look at their line up, Brazile, Juan Williams, etc... I'd hardly call Fox News super pro Trump any longer.
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Trump put out this message the other day which should assuage any concerns from his supporters about polls showing him as behind.
I think weíre learning that President Trumpís folks donít always tell him the truth... or they do and he refuses to hear it.
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The things democrats are doing when they aren't in power, if they gain power you may expect something far worse if they win.
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Consider all that's going on that has DIRECT connections to the dems.

burn loot murder
Riots
Looting
Arson
Shootings
Murders
Antifa
Reparations
Release of felons
Abolish the police
Lockdowns
Job loss
Arbitrary arrests over kung flu
Russia, Russia, Russia
The anti-American "squad"
Impeachment
Multiple failures of dem run cities
CHAZ/CHOP
Unrelenting lies from fake news
Cancel culture
Statue toppling
Removal of traditional icons (anything blacks don't like)
Re-naming of streets, sports teams, singing groups, cities
Kneeling at sports events
Removal of National Anthem
Desecrating military cemeteries
Promotion of deviants (trannies) EVERYWHERE
Attacks on churches
Thug culture
and much more
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Bottom line is traditional Americans are watching their country be systematically destroyed by the left and it's ilk.

But somehow THEY are going to be voting for more of it? Don't think so.
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It was the polls and the media that caused a trump victory the first time. They pushed and pushed the narrative that trump had no way of winning and every poll reflected that. So people didn’t bother to show up.
Right. Now Democrats KNOW President Trump can win. They will show up.
Well, I would be cautious about that case in point family members I have that are strong union and vote democrat because of that. They’ve told me that they don’t like the direction the Dems are going with this whole defund police and how city officials are not backing up their police. Case in point the Atlanta shooting. That was a legal shooting and they quickly with not allowing the investigative process to run its course charged him. Police now doing their protest ie blue flu or just not responding to calls in the same manner. It’s giving working class Americans who follow the law anxiety over likely continued increase in crime. They are starting to distrust Dems ability to handle situation because of likely pandering to BLM. I suspect many working class Dems feel the same way. I wouldn’t cash in predictions just yet.
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They are starting to distrust Dems ability to handle situation because of likely pandering to BLM. I suspect many working class Dems feel the same way. I wouldnít cash in predictions just yet.
Traditional "working class Dems" are pretty much Trump voters. Their support for the President is baked in to the assessment. President Trump's approval is way underwater and it's been getting worse during the protests of the last few weeks, not better. The data shows that Vice President Biden is benefiting.

White men without any college is the demographic that best aligns with "working class Dems." Those folks are the core of President Trump's base and, frankly, not necessary for a Biden victory.
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Those folks are the core of President Trump's base and, frankly, not necessary for a Biden victory.
That's what Hillary thought.
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That's what Hillary thought.
Actually, the opposite is true. The 2016 Clinton Campaign was chasing those traditional "working class Dems" in Michigan, Wisconsin and Pennsylvania and lost. She was running a 1996 Democratic campaign.

Vice President Biden's path to victory will be a coalition of young people, women, African American men and women, Hispanic voters, first generation Americans, and college educated white men and women.
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Traditional working class Dems???? In other words blue collar white people. Yea, I am also including blue collar middle class minorities too. Liberals always take their votes for granted, but look at the percentages. Trump won 30 percent Hispanic vote in 2016 in the mist of controversial statements such as the judge in Indiana. Don’t be surprised if it’s higher this time. Hispanics are the ones who will take the brunt of crime spikes as they are often right next door. They know what will happen if cops suddenly take a day off or half ass their response times. They know all too well.
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Trump put out this message the other day which should assuage any concerns from his supporters about polls showing him as behind.
Oh, then it must be true!
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The Dems have learned nothing about what went wrong in 2016, and they show every sign of making the same mistake again.
Negative adds and political mud slinging only work, when the mud sticks to your opponent, not when you throw mud at the voters.
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Traditional working class Dems???? In other words blue collar white people.
Yep. Blue collar white people are pretty much all in for President Trump.

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Yea, I am also including blue collar middle class minorities too. Liberals always take their votes for granted, but look at the percentages. Trump won 30 percent Hispanic vote in 2016 in the mist of controversial statements such as the judge in Indiana. Donít be surprised if itís higher this time.
The data just don't show that President Trump is increasing his support with minority voters. In 2016 34% of Hispanic voters went for President Trump. Now, closer to 25% say they support the President. It's worse for the President among African American voters.

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Hispanics are the ones who will take the brunt of crime spikes as they are often right next door. They know what will happen if cops suddenly take a day off or half ass their response times. They know all too well.
I think you're putting way too many eggs in the "Defund the Police" basket. Very few people believe it's going to happen. Vice President Biden is proposing an INCREASE in police funding.

Police forces are going to change but they aren't going away. Officers with "Blue Flu" will be fired. Remaining officers are just going to have to learn how to do their jobs with more accountability. These are popular positions with voters. More popular than President Trumps position that cops should bang suspects' heads against the roofs of their cruisers.

As he has done with so many issues... President Trump has botched his response to the George Floyd protests. He has the blue collar white male vote locked up... but he continues to take positions that strengthen his appeal to those folks while diminishing his support with other groups. It's not 1972 anymore. You can't win an election with only white male voters.
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