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Are you using Glad freezer zip locks? They are pretty tough, especially compared to a sandwich zip lock.
Right now I am just throwing out ideas.
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IFAKs are good and all, but I might prefer an ISNACK.
Little waterproof pouch with some M&Ms, a couple Twinkies, some Fritos...
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Three (3) for $9.98 is had to beat.
+ all three are different sizes, so that gives you a choice.

Last year they were on sale for around $7 & I bought several sets of 3.

GOOD LITTLE DURABLE BAGS/POUCHES.....
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something that I can mount to a molle pack and not be crammed up against the canteen.

I'll see if I can take some pictures or do a video about what I am looking for.
Yep, all the pouches I mentioned are MOLLE.

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Here is a pic of one of mine, since updated with a CAT tourniquet. The pouch is a 100 round molle SAW pouch. The Pmag is shown for scale. I have 3 or 4 of these, including one on a chest rig and one I keep in the jeep. The gray insert is a milsurp IFAK insert. Very inexpensive on ebay and so is the pouch, especially if you want the DCU camo type (I have a few of those type as well).



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Are you using Glad freezer zip locks? They are pretty tough, especially compared to a sandwich zip lock.

Basically 2-3 times a year I'll need to replace one because it got a hole in it and I usually keep 3-4 extras in my bag for hauling out trash, wet gear, replacements, etc. You could bring 10 extra and it would only add a couple ounces of weight.
All I use is the freezer ziplocks, yeah. But I also work at a mine. So maybe that's it.

I carry extras, they don't weigh much.
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The 511 has compartments, molle, plus belt loops - worth a look
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I have something basically like Sarco2000 posted, but if you're going to roll your own, I think the Magpul DACA pouches are hard to beat durability wise:

https://www.magpul.com/products/orga...l-daka-pouches

Not trying to be 'tacticool,' but sometimes things are made really well, fanboys be damned. The small would be about perfect.

Not sure what you want to put in it, but I'm a big fan of always having a tourniquet. Stupid stuff happens, tourniquets aren't as scary as they were made out to be 10-20 years ago. It's a rare thing to need outside of combat, but if you're backwoods and away from 911...
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AMK makes a nice small kit.
If you have the room LAPOLICEGEAR.COM. gear
has a couple different sealed trauma pouches that are not bad and reasonably priced.
I also just found sm. boxes of blood stopper in the sports section of walmart. 2/2oz pks-$5.00
Dont forget to add a few benadryl tablets to your kits for allergic reactions to stings.
Just remember, if you do really need it, you do need to get to a Dr. When the benadryl wares off the reaction can return if your system has not cleared the toxin.
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Camping and backpacking are vastly different from combat and while you can make a million assumptions, you don’t need a combat IFAK for backpacking. Most wilderness first responder course actually address many of the combat-like injuries by using and improvising with the rest of your gear. My backpacking is actually backpacking, not combat, so I tailor my kit to my mission.

My actual backpacking FAK is light, small and compact (only 3.4oz):



This is my primary FAK and is really good for 10-14 days on the trail. Even as is, it’s really not used much. I have one of the waterproof bags, but I’ve simply used a quart sized, freezer Ziploc which works well also.

Now, my current IOTV FAK setup along with my travel/patrol pack here in Afghanistan is vastly different and for vary different conditions. Larger groups can be a different story. I trust myself and my wife...we avoid stupid stuff. Larger groups can't account for experience or idiocy. For a group sized kit, it would be larger and likely include a CAT, more gauze and tape.

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i keep a few of these around in my camping/fly fishing kit, and one in my vest...

at 9-20.00 hard to beat: http://www.adventuremedicalkits.com/...ertight-3.html

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4 - Bandage, Adhesive, Fabric, 1" x 3"
2 - Bandage, Adhesive, Fabric, Knuckle
2 - Bandage, Butterfly Closure
3 - Dressing, Gauze, Sterile, 2" x 2", Pkg./2
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1 - Tape, 1/2" x 10 Yards
2 - Triple Antibiotic Ointment, Single Use

this is a good molle for it too: Tactical MOLLE EMT Pouch, Rip-Away Pouch Ifak Pouch, Medical First Aid Utility Pouch

12.00

https://www.amazon.com/dp/B071NG7CSG
Not bad as a booboo bag for a trip to the soccer field. The only thing on the list that actually is required/needed is moleskin the rest are comfort materials for Buffy's owie. What are you going to do for an actual INJURY/wound? Get a SOFT-T tourniquet and wound packing material. "Improvising" here is planning for failure. The belt/stick is well established and not working.

Pass on the CAT. Weak sister to the SOFT-T
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Not bad as a booboo bag for a trip to the soccer field. The only thing on the list that actually is required/needed is moleskin the rest are comfort materials for Buffy's owie. What are you going to do for an actual INJURY/wound? Get a SOFT-T tourniquet and wound packing material. "Improvising" here is planning for failure. The belt/stick is well established and not working.

Pass on the CAT. Weak sister to the SOFT-T
I could also say moleskin is for those not used to distance backpacking. This is a kit for camping and backpacking; not combat. Unless you're backpacking over here with me in Afghanistan, there is really no need to haul around a CAT. Sure, I keep a few in the truck, but not for distance backpacking; it's extremely low on the risk meter and every fantasy SHTF contingency you want to carry on your back is extra weight you just don't need. I'll stick with "hike your how hike", so if you want to pack a SOF-T or two, knock yourself out, but to suggest everyone needs one for recreational backpacking simply shows how little you actually backpack. For recreational backpacking with proper planning and preparation, there really is almost a zero percent chance need of a tourniquet. If you feel strongly enough to need one, it's a very personal choice. If end up needing one, chances are you made a significant mistake, made a stupid or risky decision, or you're extremely accident prone.

CATs are great for combat kits, duty kits, hunting kits, and in the vehicle. I don't carry one for backpacking, but I carry four on my kit here in Afghanistan...match the environment and activity to the kit choices.

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Not bad as a booboo bag for a trip to the soccer field. The only thing on the list that actually is required/needed is moleskin the rest are comfort materials for Buffy's owie. What are you going to do for an actual INJURY/wound? Get a SOFT-T tourniquet and wound packing material. "Improvising" here is planning for failure. The belt/stick is well established and not working.

Pass on the CAT. Weak sister to the SOFT-T
Just what type of injury are you expecting and what would you be doing to suffer that injury while hiking? If you have to create a scenario like bear attack, terrorists, or a scene out of Deliverance in order to justify what's in your FAK, you more than likely you don't need it.
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I would suggest watching the Nut'nfancy level I and II first aid kit videos if you want to have more capability in your first aid kit.

I don't remember if he had any tourniquets or not. I suppose you could be cut bad enough to need one, but if you aren't taking stupid risks, the odds are pretty low.

A slightly amped up kit without going too overboard might use the SWAT tourniquet instead since it is a much more multipurpose device (Crevat/compression/or full on TK), cheaper and packs flat and small for what it is. Add a few larger bandages and maybe some blood stopper like a Celox sponge and a vial of Benedryl, Vial of aspirin, Vial of other meds specific to your conditions if any, and you can handle many more serious problems without adding much weight or expense. maybe some electrolyte powder, some of those awesome sting wipes, maybe some eye wash solution and n eyewash cup, a sail needle, some duct tape on a card.

It's your kit, so whatever works for you.
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Due a recent hand injury I had to carry with me some stuff that should not be crushed.

Which brings me to a question: have you ideas for a good case that would fit small FA kit? Size wise something like a smartphone but maybe an inch thick? This would be in my edc work bag, so nothing much more than a papercut expected.
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A slightly amped up kit without going too overboard might use the SWAT tourniquet instead since it is a much more multipurpose device (Crevat/compression/or full on TK), cheaper and packs flat and small for what it is.
That's actually a good idea. I don't think I will be adding what to my backpacking kit, but if I really felt the need, the SWAT-T is a pretty good compromise.

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Goes to show you one can learn something new occasionally.

Just ordered 4 SWAT tourniquets, to augment or replace these.



Something I don't often see in small FAK's often that I carry is a roll of vetrap & a tube of superglue.
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Just what type of injury are you expecting and what would you be doing to suffer that injury while hiking? If you have to create a scenario like bear attack, terrorists, or a scene out of Deliverance in order to justify what's in your FAK, you more than likely you don't need it.
Not asking me, but my answer would be simple - a fall.
In the woods you can easily fall on a piece of wood, creating an impalement.
Or an open fracture. Or both.
What happens if you need to control blood loss while someone runs six miles to where you can get cell service? Or for the two hour wait till help arrives?
Stuff happens...

Another thing I saw hiking through AK, was a guy who almost cut his foot in two front to back by missing an ax swing... of course he was wearing Teva's, which was completely stupid, but anytime someone's using a bladed implement you have potential for injury. Stupid hurts, but it doesn't mean they have to bleed to death too IMHO.
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Not asking me, but my answer would be simple - a fall.
In the woods you can easily fall on a piece of wood, creating an impalement.
Or an open fracture. Or both.
What happens if you need to control blood loss while someone runs six miles to where you can get cell service? Or for the two hour wait till help arrives?
Stuff happens...

Another thing I saw hiking through AK, was a guy who almost cut his foot in two front to back by missing an ax swing... of course he was wearing Teva's, which was completely stupid, but anytime someone's using a bladed implement you have potential for injury. Stupid hurts, but it doesn't mean they have to bleed to death too IMHO.
Ok so hiking in the woods you trip and fall on to a pointy stick that tears open your femoral artery thus requiring you to use a tourniquet in order to prevent you from bleeding out on the trail. What are the odds of that really happening? Seems like getting struck by lighting is more likely scenario than getting your artery torn open by a stick from a fall. I googled "hiker bleeds to death" and arguably the only case a tourniquet may have saved any of those people on page 1 of the search results was the guy in 2013 who was attacked by a beaver. Googled "hiker killed by lightning" and that kills WAY more people than bleeding to death on the trail.

If you're trying to control bleeding from a normal injury a tourniquet is not the right tool for the job 99% of the time. Butterfly closures and pressure dressings will take care of most bleeding problems.

If you feel safer or better carrying a tourniquet don't let my opinion stop you. However don't expect me to not call BS when comments like "What are you going to do for an actual INJURY/wound? Get a SOFT-T tourniquet and wound packing material. "Improvising" here is planning for failure. The belt/stick is well established and not working." are made. These types of injuries don't actually happen in the real world. Injuries that you could reasonably expect to actually occur that tiny FAK would be able to handle.
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