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Okay.. since the 2nd Civil War thread didn't get cleaned out and reopened and I'm finding myself opening up way too many different threads about the same general subject and a lot of people PMing and getting ahold of me in other threads saying they want and appreciate this kind of stuff... I'm just going to keep one thread here for my leaks, updates, and insights into the militant left and especially AnComs and their efforts to strike up a civil war. Open to questions too as long as they're on topic.

I'll start off with this gem... an AnCom teaches us about violence in an AnCom world and we see the kind of places they come from and where they organize and train for actions outside of their community. These kind of places exist in pretty much every major city; just not quite on the numbers scale as this one in France. I've talked previously about how they are essentially a collection of criminals wishing to legitimize their crimes and create an environment in which they don't have to face real consequences for such behavior. This person provides a bit of look in to that aspect.

The original question: How are violent, masochistic people dealt with in an anarchist society? The rapists, murderers, kidnappers, torturers in the world. Pls don't say gulag, I'm looking for an answer!

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in our community we created something that is called the cycle of 12. its voluntary 12 people or collectifs/places that have been pulled from a hat like lottery. they only act when a victim asks them, and they do the mediation. if thats not helping it gets thrown in our weekly public meeting and discussed or dealth with it, our "ancom" communty consist of a organic 250-400 peeps on regular base plus daily visitors/or tourists that hang around for days or weeks and don't have the anarchist ideology... i can say its not that easy solving **** like : 1 person threat another with a gun, so the other person went at night to the armed persons wooden cabin to hit him with an axe on the head while he was asleep ... the whole thing was about a few grams of drugs and lots of pride and testosterone, and we have situations like that on weekly bases ....

btw at the end both got excluded from the community for repetitive conflicts wth lots community members. hard handed. one of them stranded at 100km from the place , naked in a field, beaten up after he tried to sneak back in the community ( 2000ha of land)
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"the community" is actualy an ancom like anti-capitalist land occupation of 2000ha against a mega project in france , a new mega airport, on one of the last wetlands in france. we faught physicly the police off for 4 weeks and got lots of solidarity from many places and people .... zad.nadir.org/?lang=en you can find information on radical websites like earthfirst, or insurection news, or submedia tv (videos) or hash tags #ZAD #NDDL .... etc
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it consist lots of different collectifs, like 70 of them, their can be up to 40000 peeps gathering when we organise events, like highwayblockades and manifestations or callouts for decentrilised action, like sabotage and other things
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but then there's a lot of internal political conflicts, power struggles, sometimes misery... community , you know... but no police, they tend to stay far away, they always get warm welcomes
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From my limited experience of these people I noticed a stark contrast between praxis and record. They tend to interact with local LE (reluctantly) in regards to anything criminally serious within the commune that assault and banishment wont resolve but always after the fact seem to construct some fantastical narrative that seems to be akin to the penmanship of Thomas More .
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I would like to see one of your threads stay open. You really do a good job getting the info out with a unique perspective Thank you. I wanted to see more in the secret lib prepper thread hope they open it back up.
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Things have actually gotten pretty quiet. Lots of organization and training stuff happening, but no actions planned that I'm aware of. They're currently swelling their numbers and dealing with getting the new recruits up to speed.
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The Communist leader of the USSR, Nikita Khrushchev, said the following things:

“We will take America without firing a shot ... we will bury you!"

“We can’t expect the American people to jump from capitalism to communism, but we can assist their elected leaders in giving them small doses of socialism, until they awaken one day to find that they have Communism."

“We do not have to invade the United States, we will destroy you from within.”

Like the proverbial boiling of the lobster, America has slowly but certainly moved much closer to a Communist nation than it was when Senator Joe McCarthy first tried to warn us of the impending threat. They laughed that great patriot into exile and death but he saw what nobody else did.

Today, Liberal, Anarchist, Democrat, Socialist, Communists won't adopt the title "Communist" but their actions, ideals, and policies tell the story. It's written on their foreheads in bright neon.

So, yes, Anarcho-Communism is a real and present danger and we've seen just how close to home it is just since Trump has taken office. Keep your powder dry.
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Isn't the term anarcho-communists in its self a complete lie? How can you be against government in any fashion (anarchy) while also being for a very strong government presence ( communism)? Am I missing something?
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Isn't the term anarcho-communists in its self a complete lie? How can you be against government in any fashion (anarchy) while also being for a very strong government presence ( communism)? Am I missing something?
Communists use anarchy to erase the board and clear the playing field before they move in and establish themselves. Anarchy is a means to an end. There's no prominent anarchist in history that didn't seize power as the fruit of his government overthrow.
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Well I guess I was missing something lol. I still don't know how they don't see themselves as the bad guys..
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Isn't the term anarcho-communists in its self a complete lie? How can you be against government in any fashion (anarchy) while also being for a very strong government presence ( communism)? Am I missing something?
You haven't missed anything as that's exactly how things play out in the real world, but these people are going by the deluded "It looks good on paper" version of Communism. In theory a Communist state would only use a strong government presence to get their ideal selfless society started and self perpetuating then deliberately step down, which of course has never happened nor will ever happen...
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Isn't the term anarcho-communists in its self a complete lie? How can you be against government in any fashion (anarchy) while also being for a very strong government presence ( communism)? Am I missing something?
I've always heard "anarchist" used to describe extreme libertarian ideology, with basically no government, no coercion of any kind, and completely voluntary interactions in all cases. Those anarchists say they're firmly against violence being initiated by anyone.

So I've wondered about the anarcho-communist terminology as well.
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Isn't the term anarcho-communists in its self a complete lie? How can you be against government in any fashion (anarchy) while also being for a very strong government presence ( communism)? Am I missing something?
The accepted way of classifying political philosophies among anyone who's studied political philosophy, is a 2 axis grid. Up/Down represents how much government/liberty, and Left/Right represent how much cooperation/competition.

So no, it's not contradictory. It's just 2 different things that have related names used for them. Anarcho-Communists are located at the very bottom left of the map. So no government and everyone works together with no competition between each other. Communism is at the very top left of the map. So extreme government control and everyone works together with no competition between each other.

A debate between the two is inevitably always going to turn in to... AnCom says "You can not achieve full cooperation with a government in place because it will always put itself before the people and so no one can have more authority than anyone else." and the Communist says "You can never accomplish cooperation without a strong government because people will always put themselves before each other and only government can make cooperation happen."

I know the names confuse people who aren't familiar with this stuff, but there are a LOT of positions on that grid and it's hard to come up with a unique name for every one that easily conveys a meaning. Pretty much the entire bottom edge of the map is called Anarcho- something. Usually corresponding to a more familiar system above it that has government. You'll see different maps with different prefered names for positions, or drawing lines in slightly different ways, but it gets the idea across. Syndicalism and Mutualism are 'Anarcho-' as well BTW.



Anarcho-Communism is pretty flawed for obvious reasons; but it's no less a philosophy of its own. Although, the real kicker is that the large majority of people who call themselves Anarcho-Communists; if you actually analyze their real world supported political policies, don't even remotely align with Anarcho-Communism. They're just plain communists (who only oppose the idea of government because they're not currently in power), or they're criminals who see Anarcho-Communism as a good system because they feel like they would be happy and successful in such a society due to their ability to exploit it.

Now for the serious stuff: In all of about 1 week I've had somewhere around half a dozen different threads locked or buried in the dark hidden recesses of this board because people can't avoid flooding anything I post on the subject with political debate or just pointless bashing. This then degenerates into personal attacks and general trolling, and then the thread gets locked and I get a bunch of people PMing me upset about losing valuable information coming from the thread and asking me to start another one. So I'm going to be clear...

Informative discussion about AnCom philosophy is fine, but if I see anyone arguing about politics or having personal fights, you will be reported and I will ask the mods to remove your posts.
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Now for the serious stuff: In all of about 1 week I've had somewhere around half a dozen different threads locked or buried in the dark hidden recesses of this board because people can't avoid flooding anything I post on the subject with political debate or just pointless bashing. This then degenerates into personal attacks and general trolling, and then the thread gets locked and I get a bunch of people PMing me upset about losing valuable information coming from the thread and asking me to start another one. So I'm going to be clear...

Informative discussion about AnCom philosophy is fine, but if I see anyone arguing about politics or having personal fights, you will be reported and I will ask the mods to remove your posts.
Many of us do appreciate your attempts to have an informative discussion, free of malice and pointless bashing.
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If some 19 Year old Girl in a tight Black Outfit with black converse allstars and a bandana over face and the tools of dissention in her black bookbag/backpack/messenger bag tries to bop me with an aluminum baseball bat I'm gonna draw my EDC and shoot her Dead Center Mass ...
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Well.. no sooner as I said it was being quiet...

Antifa/AnCom channels just lit up with the following story:

Frank Ancona, KKK leader, missing under suspicious circumstances: Police

He was apparently kidnapped and his safe broken in to with a crowbar and hammer or something and his guns stolen. Someone made him call his wife and say that he was going to be out of town all day making a work delivery across state (so no one was looking for him until late). His CCW was found in the house. He apparently didn't home carry. I'm also seeing word that his body was found dumped in a river, but I haven't been able to confirm it with a mainstream source. I can't speak for if it was actually a group of AnComs or just someone using AnComs as a cover for a personal murder, but the rest of the AnCom community sure want it to be them. They're having a blast heckling and harassing his family too.

Regardless, AnComs are taking credit and congratulating each other right now. I've posted previously on how this is all going to progress to assassinations in between periodic riots. That the next Civil War will be built around attacks against people and not government or territory. A lot of people dismissed it because they'd never make it out to the country. But here's a case where they did get someone living in the country.
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My previous post on the civil war thread. Ironically, the other part of this post was just a few days before they attacked a Milo speech and put a guy in a coma and injured a bunch of others.

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They'll almost certainly lose, but they can do a lot of damage first. As disadvantaged as they are in reality, they think it's the exact opposite and they'll behave based on that premise.

They're not talking about attacking police/military and holding territory. They're talking about attacking people. Civilians mostly. Antifa and BLM style mob attacks on small groups and individuals. They want to show up to a Milo Yiannopoulos speech and and kill a bunch of 'NAZIs'. I don't think they have an interest in seizing territory. The discussion is simply in eliminating people who are opponents of the revolution until only revolutionaries remain and they can declare victory by default. Their dream is to go rush some NAZI's house, kill him, and walk out with his stockpile of guns and ammo with which to get the next NAZI or groups of NAZIs next weekend. Anywhere and any time their opponents get into a group, hit and run violent mob attacks on them until no one is left to or willing to oppose them.

It works out to be the same thing we're already seeing with these massive crowds with sections of AnComs running around within the protest using the rest as compliant human shields. They'll keep escalating. Molotovs, small IEDs, and eventually they'll get to sniping from within the crowd and if anyone returns fire they'll claim to be victims. We saw in Ukraine where this kept escalating like the old boiling frog analogy until finally the police were just overwhelmed and routed.
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Is there any evidence you're aware of of involvement by a foreign state? You mention Ukraine, which obviously had lots of Russian involvement.

While our global adversaries don't necessarily want to take territory, keeping us focused inward and divided would reduce our ability to check their moves in Europe, Asia, and the ME.

I just got to thinking - we get a lot of our "news" from our echo chambers. Media outlets that reinforce views we already hold and even groups like this. An adversary could influence those sources, and also support groups actively promoting division and chaos - like the groups you mention. It doesn't cost much and is easy to deny.

Like you, I get glimpses of both "sides," and they're mirror images - lots of angry people on edge. Not sure I believe in coincidences...
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Is there any evidence you're aware of of involvement by a foreign state? You mention Ukraine, which obviously had lots of Russian involvement.

While our global adversaries don't necessarily want to take territory, keeping us focused inward and divided would reduce our ability to check their moves in Europe, Asia, and the ME.

I just got to thinking - we get a lot of our "news" from our echo chambers. Media outlets that reinforce views we already hold and even groups like this. An adversary could influence those sources, and also support groups actively promoting division and chaos - like the groups you mention. It doesn't cost much and is easy to deny.

Like you, I get glimpses of both "sides," and they're mirror images - lots of angry people on edge. Not sure I believe in coincidences...

I know blaming Russia is en vogue right now with the left, but I did come across an older interview with a Soviet Union defector explaining that they had a program to put Communist sympathizers within the school system to indoctrinate our youth. Though it's not really proof of an active Russian conspiracy, it was pretty compelling.


https://youtu.be/Q8TE_QMa3fw?t=42m
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American Communists/Socialists are a unique breed apart ( from a long line of Marxists &Red Diaper Babies & Grand Babies dating back to Sacco & Vanzetti & the Triangle Shirtwaist Factory Fire)
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Is there any evidence you're aware of of involvement by a foreign state? You mention Ukraine, which obviously had lots of Russian involvement.

While our global adversaries don't necessarily want to take territory, keeping us focused inward and divided would reduce our ability to check their moves in Europe, Asia, and the ME.

I just got to thinking - we get a lot of our "news" from our echo chambers. Media outlets that reinforce views we already hold and even groups like this. An adversary could influence those sources, and also support groups actively promoting division and chaos - like the groups you mention. It doesn't cost much and is easy to deny.

Like you, I get glimpses of both "sides," and they're mirror images - lots of angry people on edge. Not sure I believe in coincidences...
For the AnComs, no foreign involvement, and no one's getting paid. People are either true believers or people who are getting social benefits (it gets them laid, it gets them friends, gets them criminal connections, etc) from their involvement.

SJWs and all their non-profit organizations and media companies are different. Their ground supporters are full on religious cultists and are true believers or getting social benefit like the AnComs, but their leaders are raking in money from anyone and everyone that finds their work beneficial and that creates the echo chamber for everyone else. They believe their own propaganda, but the volume they're announcing it with is much louder due to the money. I wouldn't say this money is coming largely from any specific source though.

Fanatical belief is more than sufficient to motivate people. They don't need anyone paying them to act to advance their cause.
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