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In theory, if someone had made an underground weapons/ammo cache and dug it down in the forest, if there were to be a forest fire, would the fire make the ammo go boom? (and/or melt the food/weapon)

I've heard that forest fires can go into the ground as well, that's why I'm curious
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I really doubt the ground would get that hot if it were buried deep, like four feet or so. That dirt is a pretty good insulator. Feel the ground around a bonfire just a foot away from the flames and it is likely cool.
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If the cache was buried in a barren area, devoid of fuel, it would most likely survive.
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I have picked up military ammo that was laying on the ground when the grass fires came threw. Cleaned it off and it shot just fine.
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We found some weapons in Iraq in a field that was thick as hell trying to move through it looking for more was killing the boys so I told them to light it up. Well they did and about 30 min. later 3 huge explosion went off one took part of a road out. I don't know how deep the stuff was but it did go up.
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We found some weapons in Iraq in a field that was thick as hell trying to move through it looking for more was killing the boys so I told them to light it up. Well they did and about 30 min. later 3 huge explosion went off one took part of a road out. I don't know how deep the stuff was but it did go up.
Interesting. You mean the bushes were difficult to walk past so you created a bushfire out of gasoline? And from the explosion it was clear that the stuff was underground and not just lying hidden in the grass/bushes?
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It was all underground I will see if I can upload some old pics, across the road from where we set the field ablaze we found the largest cash up to that date. If I remember correctly close to 500 anti tank mines, 2000 120mm rockets mortar rounds and all kinds of crap. After we got a crapload of it out we called the engineers in to blow it all in place. As we were uncovering it the fair side security PLT. found more crap in that field, part of a RPG box was sticking out of the ground, we pulled that out with the rockets. That is when the LT. asked me if he could just burn it. That place was so thick you wouldn't believe it so I told him have fun. Funny as hell he went in started it and about got trapped in the fire came stumbling out with no eyebrows and steaming he was so hot, I about ****ed myself laughing at him. Typical LT. The big cash the engineers blew made a crater almost 100m round and blew the side off the mosque they had it next to.
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Didn't the forest service find a cache with grenades,while doing an assessment, after one of the big wild fires this year ?
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Didn't the forest service find a cache with grenades,while doing an assessment, after one of the big wild fires this year ?
https://www.google.com/amp/www.foxne...nkers.amp.html
wow, scary.i wonder if caches would have been more difficult to find tho
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Typical ammunition buried, say 12 inches or more, probably is safe in any forest fire.
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I burried a cache of cash and antibiotics less than a foot deep in a Tupperware inside of another Tupperware container in 2014.... 2 years later when I retrieved it, the forest was charred about 6 feet high up all the tree trunks and my cache was in perfect condition.
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In theory, if someone had made an underground weapons/ammo cache and dug it down in the forest, if there were to be a forest fire, would the fire make the ammo go boom? (and/or melt the food/weapon)

I've heard that forest fires can go into the ground as well, that's why I'm curious
Well, i think it'd depend on whether it's an above or underground fire also as you say. If it's really hot, buried shallowly, i think it could happen. I remember a mythbusters episode where they tested if you could cook ammo off in an oven. It did cook off, so with enough heat, sure, but even then, unless there are actual explosives, which aren't heat stable or which go off by the shock of the ammo cooking off (i think it's pretty unlikely in a cache situation), it won't give much of a bang, and since it's underground, the bullets would not fly out or anything like that. It might also damage a weapon that way, but don't know how big that chance is, probably not very good either.
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Well, i think it'd depend on whether it's an above or underground fire also as you say. If it's really hot, buried shallowly, i think it could happen. I remember a mythbusters episode where they tested if you could cook ammo off in an oven. It did cook off, so with enough heat, sure, but even then, unless there are actual explosives, which aren't heat stable or which go off by the shock of the ammo cooking off (i think it's pretty unlikely in a cache situation), it won't give much of a bang, and since it's underground, the bullets would not fly out or anything like that. It might also damage a weapon that way, but don't know how big that chance is, probably not very good either.
Hahah that episode was the insperation for this thread actually :P

Aaah you make a great point tho that if they were to go off, assuming hundreds of people aren't hanging out in the middle of a wildfire, no one would even have known they went off. even 500 rounds wouldn't even make the ground move
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Depth of burial will make the difference. In some of our fires a few years ago, there was so much undergrowth that the heat from the fire sterilized the ground to a depth of eight inches. A bit below that should be safe, but a shallower burial would probably have cooked off in that fire.
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