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View Poll Results: Which pistol calibers are your top two choices when SHTF?
.45 ACP 161 27.52%
.40 S&W 101 17.26%
9 mm 332 56.75%
.380 10 1.71%
.357 SIG 12 2.05%
10 mm 22 3.76%
.45 LC 8 1.37%
.38 Special 36 6.15%
.357 Mag 133 22.74%
.22 LR 138 23.59%
Multiple Choice Poll. Voters: 585. You may not vote on this poll

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End the argument and Debate, get a 45 ACP.
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Like Birdman, I love a .45 for stopping power. I also have a Taurus 94 .22 LR revolver.

A thought to consider if you are only going to buy one gun is lethality. What I mean is that in a SHTF situation, any torso hit from a handgun round is likely to be deadly. It may take him 2 weeks to die, but as he diminishes, so does the threat.

If I had to go with just one, I would go with the best 22 revolver I could get my hands on. Point being that it is excellent for game and stocking up on ammo is easily accomplished. Do that, get some good practice in, and start shopping for that larger caliber 45 or 40.
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what is your favorite gun you own? What one feels good in your hand? You should shoot the biggest gun you can produce quick repeat shots with.

9mm is a good choice, but some folks have difficulty finding a good fitting 9mm handgun. 1911 based 45's have excellent grips.

Bang for buck 9mm is good. Ammo still around unlike 380acp or 45acp. Excellent price on practice ammo, may be the lowest cost besides 22lr. Good range of firearms for it. 9mm compacts are compact. Modern high power rounds make 9mm more powerful.

A 22lr handgun can be purchased, but just having 1 caliber in handgun is fine in my book.

Remember, there's dozens of acceptable calibers for handgun out there. Pick a common one that affordable. The handgun that works well for you is more important than the ammo it fires. A caliber of decent power that is.
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.22 LR and suppressed if you can own it legally in your state.
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Another plus to the revolvers that is rarely mentioned is the fact that you can leave it loaded for years with no bad effects. Try leaving an auto pistol mag loaded for 3 or 4 years and odds are good the mag spring will weaken and possibly fail.
The "loaded magazine weakens the spring" statement I personally consider as a myth.

The spring gets weakened when used permanently. That means load, unload, load, unload, load, unload and so on.

With low quality magazines or old and often used (loaded, unloaded) magazines there can occur spring related issues. In the last case it is wear and tear and magazines have to be replaced (making them range mags).

But storing a good magazine loaded, even for years, is no problem.
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My choices would be the following (9 MM glock)(.357 [email protected] 686)(.45ACP Glock)These would be my handgun choices if the world went to hell in a
hand basket.These guns have things in common they are tough reliable and have multiple ammo choices and will kill whatever you shoot with it
Heres my take on ammo you better get all you need know wile thing are OK because if the world goes sour,people will be hording ammo and not selling
it and what ever is left of our government is going to band it sale and take whatever is manufactured for them selves.thats my 2 cents have at least
2000 rounds for each weapon you own and train train train hard to learn good shooting skills.If the world goes post apocalyptic food ,shelter ,water
and proper sanitation are going to be such a challenge day to day there wont be time to train properly after and you wont want waste rounds
learning or trying teach your wife and kids how .
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This isn't to bust your ass, I am going correct a few miss conceptions you posted and give some info. Take it for what its worth, as it comes from several resources that study this hevily.

I will go in on detail on the 9mm 40 and 45, but one big wrong on here is your history of the 40 cal.

The 40 was originally a 10mm that was designed down to be more managable then the 10mm. Thus reducing the performance that they were looking for.

As for the caliber issue. A few people have posted about being able to shoot well with what you got. I agree and will go further to say that between 9mm through-45 ACP balisticly there is no increase in capablitly of killing. This is due to the bodies elasticity and the insignicant change in bullet diamiter.

This caliber crap is nothing more that a broken mirror, poor educated biest. That said many platforms are nice for each caliber and you may want 45, or a 40 or a 9mm. However the ability to kill is in your hand.

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I dunno I think the 9mm is a bit better but no one is 60-70 centermiters through, and frankly they both seem to do about the same here as well.

Good post and good information. I like that version of the handgun penetration pictures you showed better that has the 10mm at the bottom basically exploding like a mushroom cloud due to the amount of damage. Very funny. But your points are well taken.

I guess my bigger issue in this post concerns what ammo calibers may be most available after something happens. I guess you can't go wrong with any major caliber out there right now (namely 9mm, 40, or 45). Shot placement is king and with modern defensive projectiles I think the terminal performance of these rounds are becoming much more similiar. I'd be curious to see the volume of ammo by caliber that is sold in the U.S. over the past two or three years. I'll have to scour the internet some and see what I can come up with.

Maybe I should just start reloading and then it wouldn't really matter would it?

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Reloading skills, tools and supplies should always be a basic part of preps for long-term events.
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357 magnum hands down, much more versatile than any of the other calibers mentioned. 22LR in second place.
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How many times does the same question need to be asked?

I mean ... really?

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How any times does the same question need to be asked?

I mean ... really?
Eleventy million more.
You know that.


Bottom line is try a few out at the range and use what YOU are comfortable with, can afford and most of all....SHOOT WELL.
Only hits count.
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Eleventy million more.
You know that.


Bottom line is try a few out at the range and use what YOU are comfortable with, can afford and most of all....SHOOT WELL.
Only hits count.
Like the man said try them out if you can!
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Great post. I have a G21 which is the .45 ACP Glock that is the same gun essentially as your G20 10mm. I wonder if you can drop in a 10mm barrel in that gun? I'll have to do a bit of research on that one. Time to buy some LoneWolf Barrels I think. Having a multi-tool like that would be very useful even if I didn't keep all the ammo on hand. What magazines do you use to shoot .40 or .357 out of your 10mm Glock?

I guess one of the central points of my thread is availablity after something bad happens. I'd be curious to see what the most popular caliber is in the U.S. marketplace. I would guess 9mm but I don't know how much behind that .45acp or .40s&w would be. I don't plan on using the military or police as a supply point but as the populous starts to get thinned out I'm trying to think of which caliber would be the most available for barter or requistion. Whatever the most popular calibers are will be the answer to that. I just wonder if one is better than the other in the grand scheme of things.

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Use the same G-20 mags you use for the 10mm. Both these rounds have the same case diameter as the 10. Matter of fact,the .40 was designed from the 10(shortened to fit in a 9mm size frame),and the .357 Sig is a necked down .40.
Not totally certain on dropping the 10mm barrel in the .45,but I don't think you can. I think there is to much difference in the case size for the extractor to work.
The main reason behind my decision was the fact that I could have three choices in a world where ammo was hard to find,instead of relying on finding the one cal for my use.
The 9mm is like .38 ammo in the U.S.,it can be found almost anywhere ammo is sold. If you have a 9mm Glock,LoneWolf sells barrels for the .40 to fit it,as they use the same frame for both cals. I would check to see if the extractor/ejector had to be changed for the conversion though. Even so,it is a pretty simple swap.
As for your G-21,you can get a barrel to change it to a .400 Corbon,and I think there is one,or two others as well. The Corbon round will bring the power at least up to the 10mm in ft/pds of energy,but it is not something you find on the shelves in stores.
Hope this help you out,and gives you a few new ideas.
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As long as you stay with 9mm, 40S&W, .45 or even .38/.357 for defensive calibers, you'll be fine and all are relatively common. Add a good .22LR and that will do it. I think for the most common calibers though, I would have to say 9mm and .38/.357 are probably the most common followed by the .40S&W and .45ACP.

You could always get the Glock .40S&W route (G23 for me), add a 9mm barrel (include the extractor/ejector) and a .22 conversion upper; pick up a decent wheel gun in .357 and now you have two pistols to shoot 5-different calibers. Kind of the opposite of what you're looking for, but probably the most common pistol rounds found everywhere. I wouldn't consider "finding" ammo as a plan after SHTF....what you have stocked is what you'll have, period.


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9mm and .22lr

Probably the 2 easiest calibers to FIND if you're in a jam and you need ammo and don't have enough on you. Plus, these are probably the 2 most common calibers that other people own, so if you have them, you can barter for more ammo if you need it, or use your 9mm or .22 to barter them for something else.

Always think, how can someone else benefit and what are the greatest chances of me being able to use this ammo besides in my gun?

i.e., "how valuable is to the the masses of people?"

As already mentioned, the cheap ammo makes .22 very appealing and don't underestimate what a .22 can do, if the user know's what they're doing!

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9 mm and 45. If I could have silencer I would take a 22.

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Personally I’d say .22 and .45ACP. I carry a .45 daily so the size/weight obviously doesn’t bother me. The main reason I like the .45 is reduced penetration over smaller and faster rounds.

As others have stated, however, go with whatever makes you comfortable. If you are not comfortable with a .45 chances are you aren’t going to hit squat with it.
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There are lots of good choices. My choice for a bug out combination is .357 in a levergun and revo and a .22 revo.
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I am going to paraphrase an article written by Gabe Suarez.

1 No pistol cartridge is a guaranteed manstopper.

2. In practice, there is little to no difference in terminal ballistics of modern HP ammo for the 9mm through 45 ACP. The 45 manstopper reputation is a myth.

3. 9mm pistols hold more rounds

4. 9mm recoil less and follow up shots are faster

Based on the capacity of the 9mm and the potential need of multiple shots, the 9mm is the better choice.

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If someone was pointing a 9mm at me, I would laugh. How can the little hole in the barrel do any damage? And don't even mention the AR, or AK or 7mm Rem Mag or 300 Win Mag or 308, those are all so tiny, you might as well use an airsoft gun.
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just the looking at a 45 would scare the hell out of any one, one big hole at the end
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