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Old 01-09-2009, 11:27 AM
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Buckshot is needed for close range situations where that extra second or two of fine aiming is going to mean the difference of life and death. Even though it has the word "buck" in it, deer hunting is not a good choice here. Getting with-in 50 yards and the deer not seeing or mainly smelling you is very difficult. If you hit the deer, he will die but maybe a few hours to a day later and no game retrieved. Buckshot is used for under 50 yards. Due to this reason, most self defense shotgun are loaded with alternating rounds of buckshot and slugs.

Rifled slugs also known as foster slugs, can be used up to 75 - 100 yards. You can use these in a smooth bore barrel with cylinder or improved cylinder chokes.

Saboted type slugs are to be used in a rifled slug barrel. This type of ammunition is more accurate. With sufficient practice and skill upkeep, shots can be extended to the 125 yard range. These may be a bad idea for survival becuase you need to use bring both barrels. For deer hunting, I only use a saboted slug and rifled barrel that has mounted to the barrel a shotgun specific scope. The slugs also cost more 1.50-2.50 a trigger pull.

Overall with any slugs, even one that you find works well in your shotgun. Accuracy of about 2-3 inches off where you aim is the norm here at 50 yards. That's for a scoped or good rifle type sighted shotgun. Now add in you lack of accuracy in aiming a typical "bird barrel" vented rib with bead. At 100 yards, this could mean a total hit or miss on deer sized targets. For accuracy reasons, you need to practice more with shotguns than rifles to be good at 100 yards. For better accuracy consider adding a sight system to a vented rib barrel. Here is what I have on my smooth bore. For the same price, a gunsmith can add another bead midbarrel so you can line up the dots. http://www.truglosights.com/content/...int_turkey.asp This truglo sight isn't adjustable, so you need to remeber where the aim is off. It also plastic and mounted by magents, so it may break. Truglo also make adjustable metal sights. Smoothbore barrels with adjustable rifle sights are easy to come by too for common shotguns. The truglo sights also have fiber optic lighting, they gather light and make a bright dot even in very low light conditions like the bit of light before dawn or a clear night.

One gun doesn't do everything. But the shotgun is the closest thing because of ammunition versatility. My opinion get 50% bird shot #6, it's the most versatile for the variety of small game, get 25% buckshot and 25% slugs. Maybe better get these percentages based on price and not number of rounds. Bird shot can be purchased for about 30 cents a trigger pull. Remmington small game shot is good for the money and popular too.

A shotgun and a deer caliber sized rifle has all the bases covered. If you situation requires it as most do, you need a handgun too.

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Stock Both.
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read Cirillo's Guns, Bullets and Gunfights and Ayoob' Stressfire II. I've read both. Both rounds are very powerful, but can fail to stop- Cirillo was a veteran of the NYPD Stakeout Squad. In all of the gunfights he was in, he only saw 2 one shot stops- both of which penetrated the brain.

Ayoob recounts quite a few nasty gun fights- some with Buck, plus 2 nasty ones that were ended with a slug.

read both.
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You need 00 buck, trap or rabbit loads and slug rounds too. Use the 00 buck for close range personal defense. Use the trap or small game loads for small game. Use the slug to drop deer, feral pigs and so on for food. You actually need 3 kinds of shells.
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I have low-recoil slugs and 00 Buck available for the home defense Mossberg. why limit yourself?
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Kindof repeated what has been said but both. Although for defense I prefer a #1 Buck (more shot without compromising power too much) , but thats because I don't have a shotgun with a three-inch chamber, 00 Buck or 000 if you have a shotgun with one. And with what herd sniper said, you do need to stock up on other ammo types too. As for slugs, I rarely use them so I can't give you much information on them.
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Not only both but also you need 7 or 8 shot for small game, #4 for turkey, 00 or triple 000 for close range defense, Slugs for large game/Defense, Flare for signalling/ fire starting, Door busters For special applications, beanbag or rubber slug/shot for non lethal defense.

You wouldn't break off all the other tools off of a swiss army knife, why do the same to your shotgun?

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i agree with steve5 BOTH is best.. why limit your options?
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well thank you all for your responses, looks like i will gather alittle of everything.
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Oh and other barrels are also good to have, long vent-rib barrel for trap/bird, rifled slug barrel, shot home defense barrel, etc. That will let you further the versatility of your gun.
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Oh and other barrels are also good to have, long vent-rib barrel for trap/bird, rifled slug barrel, shot home defense barrel, etc. That will let you further the versatility of your gun.
Chokes for the bird barrel would also be helpful for differant spieces of birds and hunting conditions.


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Yes that too, haha we all forget somethings sometimes, maybe its because none of my shotguns use removable choke tubes, OLD Remington 1100,model 11, and Stevens 311.
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