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Old 01-04-2012, 07:41 PM
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If you're stockpiling anyway, stick with brass cases, and set up to reload them after you shoot through your stockpile. The Lee 230gr RN cast from WW, quenched in water, is solid and shoots great.
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I've owned several .45 acp handguns over the years and have found all of them shot better with 200 grain slugs versus 230 grain. One (my first) was simply assembled from an Essex Arms frame and surplus GI parts.

My present pistols: Colt Series 80 Gold Cup and old Star PD love 200 grain hard cast lead semi wadcutters. I've found this to be the same for any properly fitted 1911 style pistol. Can't say for Glocks or other designs. The 200 grain weight is much more accurate (shoots flatter) and easier to hit targets at longer ranges than 230 grain hardball.

If one doesn't reload then I guess one could settle for factory hardball loads. I rarely have shot any factory loads in any of my pistols...the reloads with the 200 grain bullets shoot a lot better. My opinion.
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Any major US factory 230gr FMJ Don't see the need for any other weight or configuration.

CCI shot shells (for snakes and rodents): http://www.cci-ammunition.com/produc...px?loadNo=3745 (The
.45 shell doesn't use a capsule. Uses a longer bullet shape case.)

Hi-Vel red and green flares: http://www.hi-vel.com/Catalog__25/Ha...un_flares.html


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Ok guys and gals, I am on the eve of buying myself a new 45acp pistol, hopefully a Remington 1911 R1.

Its probably been 7 years since I have owned a 45 or bought 45acp ammo. Since I have been out of the loop for so long, I am here to ask advice.

Winchester sells some white box 230 grain round nose. I thought about picking up a couple of boxes of that for target shooting and to help break the new pistol in.

Besides the round nose, what ammo would you suggest?

From what I found on the internet so far:

Golden Saber is used by the FBI.
Speer Gold Dot 230 Grain Jacketed Hollow Point seems to have a good reputation

I would like something that is reliable in both test and in my handgun.

Maybe when I get the 1911 in hand, I will buy a box of several different brands to see if there are any malfunctions.

Input and suggestions would be helpful.
Recommended ammo:

Federal American Eagle 230gr Ball.
(It hits the same point of aim as the Fed JHP's normally)
Federal HST 230gr (standard velocity) easier on the gun, your wrist and your ears than +P.
Fed Hydra-Shok 230gr (Standard velocity) Somewhat dated but generally excellent accuracy and reliable feed.

I've had varying results with Rem and Win generic ball, the Federal has been the most consistent.
PMC ball has also been surprisingly good in both handguns and carbines.

Gold Dots are good ammo, but somewhat hotter than standard velocity and can have limp wrist feed issues in some lighter guns.

Golden Sabres are either very accurate or complete garbage, depends on your gun.

As for handloads, a good lswc such as the H&G #130 (Lyman 452488) or Hornady lswc (not the LCT) feed much better than the H&G #68 that everybody uses but has feed issues with unmodified guns in some cases.

The reason the SWC's are more accurate is a combination of longer bearing surface and being more balanced than conventional ball bullets.
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I carry a 1911A1 and lucked up last summer. Bought 1500 rounds of USGI .45 in a .50 caliber ammo can along with two dozen Wilson Combat Mags for $75 at a "getting out of marriage" yard sale. Also picked 1000 rounds of Lake City 5.56mm for another $50 and a Remington 870 with a slug barrel ($125) at the same place. Adding a reloader to my workshop to reload the brass.
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I shoot 230 grain lead round nose hand loads in my colt defender and full size colt. I carry hydrashoks.

Around here it is around $30 per 500 230 grain lead round nose projectiles, primers are about 25-$30 a brick, and bullseye or winchester 231 makes for a pretty good .45 acp load.

I'd really consider loading for the .45. Even loading hardball you will come out a lot better. I think I saw some FMJ's at walmart for around $25 or $30 for a box of 50. I'm not paying that.

Browning designed the 1911 to shoot hardball, and I think it does a good job with that, and also a fine job with cast bullets (you can get set up for casting and really save some cash in the .45, not to mention being able to make your own could be helpful in a shtf situation).
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I've had especially good results with Double Tap ammo in .45 ACP. They are what Cor-bon wishes they could be. They are using a better bullet at as high or higher velocities, but doing so at standard pressures rather than +P. And they perform really well out of shorter barrels. I use their 230 grain load in my Bersa U/C. I'm getting velocities out of my shorter barrel that it would take regular +P to achieve in a 5 inch. And the bullet is the well known Speer Gold Dot which is a reliable expander and penetrator.

I stock a lot of my own handloads too, but I can't load anything close to that performance level, so that's the round I choose to trust my life to.
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I personally carry Cor-Bon DPX but sock away 230g FMJ I have 5-6 mags of the CorBon left as I used the rest to check for reliability in my Kimber. They are 185g rounds and I have no doubts that they will perform as advertised. I started with a couple of spam cans of Tula 230g .45 for my stock pile and as I shot a couple boxes at the range I replaced it with Whinchester WB or some other reloadable ammo
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The local walmart has winchester 100 rounds 230 grain FMJ white box for something like $35...
Every time I go to wallyworld, I buy a box of those. It's not competition race ammo, but works just dandy. I have found cheaper (bulk) ammo online, but without free shipping, that white box is a good price vs internet orders. To take advantage of the better deals on internet bulk orders, you need to spend several hundred dollars at a whack and wait for delivery of 1k rounds. Just pick up a box when you get the weekly groceries and you wont feel it in your wallet.

My G21 loves cor-bon the best, but will chew winchester white box happily. For bulk storage (and price) definately go with 230gr ball.
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Kev, when you empty the white box at the range- keep it. Put your empties back in the box for reloading eventually.
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230gr FMJ. It's the most reliable feeder in both of my 1911's (Colt and Les Baer) and Glock G21. Of course, the Glock will feed anything, but with two 1911's in the collection I have simplified my ammo stockpile to pretty much just 230 gr FMJ and 230 gr LRN.
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My .45's love the Winchester white box from Wally world. .45 is expensive to begin with that 230 FMJ is probably 90% of what I stock.
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Ball ammo, is the only way to "stock pile". They work in everything. ALso reloading again faily easy to get. reloading aint a bad way to go. wm by me has 45 in federal for $18.99 .40 $16.99 and 9mm $ 10.96 i have 100 rounds of nato on hand to.
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The .45 acp made its reputation with hard ball and it is surprisingly effective. In a shtf situation, it will do more than fine.
^ i Agree 100% with this saskcop! that is why i hoarded all the Winchester white box Ammo i could!
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Those Winchesters are exactly what I buy to shoot so I can save the brass. I then reload them with Hornady XTP 185 gr and 230 gr hollow points. I can reload my hollow points for about 30 cents a round as opposed to a buck or so a round give or take for other hollow points.
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I have had zero problems with PMC 230 fmj in my 1911 and I run through ammo. Cheap and reliable brass case ammo.
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Hey Kev,

For my .45 stock, I keep it as simple as possible:

1. Winchester white box fmj - 230gr

2. Remington green box 100pack jhp - 230gr

3. Hornady Critical Defense.


I keep about 40/40/20% respectively. The fmj is for practice, the jhp is for volume in defense ammo, and the CD is for my edc carry in my Glock 30sf.
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I buy any 230 gr hardball on sale and find little difference in my guns out to 100 yards and I will never feel poorly served if that is all I have. I don't compete in NRA bulls eye anymore so my SWC ammo has limited use for me now except for chuckles and giggles shooting.

That being said one happy surprise for me was finding that Winchester Personal Defense JHP was the most accurate round in my old NM hardball gun. As always I suggest trying a little of everything till you find that round that you and your gun just loves. I had it for a few years but had never shot it, it was one of those parts of a package deal when I bought some other stuff and that came with it. Now I am slowly building up an ammo can full of it. I hope to never need it but it's good to know that if I do it is a good one.

Your gun may choose a different flavor, but you never know till you try it.
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FMJ is great, but you really cant go wrong with Winchester Ranger ammo, http://www.sgammo.com/product/winche...es-230gr-ra45t I picked up some from SGammo and am very pleased with it.
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I'm cursed with bad luck and unreliable 1911's.

Look into the Corbon Power Ball 45acp defensive ammunition. It keeps a FMJ profile to the bullet with the use of a plastic(IIRC) ball in the tip of the bullet.

1911's in my experience have issues feeding FMJ reliably. Jagged JHP rounds in my experience cause even more feeding issues in 1911 guns.

Stay with brass cased ammo.
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