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Yeah, what a concept.

Too bad so many here don't understand it.
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I don't think it's reasonably up for debate whether or not God expects us to help others. The question becomes who those others are in particular, and how far he expects us to help them, to our own detriment.

God probably would have allowed anyone that heeded the teaching of Noah to have entered the Ark. But God did not expect Noah to jump out of the Ark to save drowning men. Nor does it seem that the scriptures require us to put our family in undue danger or to deprive them of necessary live-giving supplies in order to help others. At that point, you are just choosing to let your own household die, and that is not only a breach of common sense, it is also prohibited in scripture.

But if you had the means to over-prepare, then you might be able to save some that otherwise would not have been saved, at your discretion. Most of us have some extended family that could benefit from our efforts. But if you don't, I can understand not wanting to invite in every random stranger during SHTF, or starting up a bread line at your front door. That's dangerous, and perhaps foolish. God doesn't expect us to be fools. Rather, Jesus told the 70 to be as wise as serpents.

I say all this because let's say that there is some major TEOTWAWKI event somewhere out on the horizon. Some huge calamity that will kill 90%+ that many fear. How will God preserve his people? Do you think it's any surprise that among those that do prep, Christianity is more prevalent than in the broader population by a wide margin? Is it any surprise that, among those that truly serve Him, they by their lifestyle alone (even if not actual preppers) are almost always better prepared on average, at least in this country?

I do not really believe in coincidences. I see providence.
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I don't do street ministry? I have some thousands of Bible Handout recipients who might object to that statement. I always prayed but I cannot fast due to medication.

And I did it without bringing them home or putting my husband in danger (much). He would go with me to bad neighborhoods and hold a sign because he worried about my safety but we never had a serious problem.

I always found it funny, I would be on the median with cases of Bibles, open, and I would grab more as needed. We held signs that said "Free Bibles". Some people would come to the median and take the Bibles out of the boxes, they didn't want to deal with us but they wanted that Bible.

I would love to do some handouts now but where I went isn't safe. And I am not reckless. "Stupid", yes, but not reckless.
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Well said, my Friend!

Iím not yet to your level, but Iím trying to fast at least one day a week, and itís amazing how good I feel the next day! I miss Mass. I miss the Eucharist! And I wish that more folks here would recognize that the more trust you place in Jesus, the more effective you will be in His Name.
Our mission on Earth is to fulfill Godís Will, not our own. And that has everything to do with helping others, not ourselves.

Keep up the good fight brother!
Just make sandwiches out of two slices of bread, people think you eating sandwiches with something in them.
Generally Wednesdayís and Fridayís bread and water, but if you have a particular intention pick an extra day, except the Lordís day, we never fast on.

Peace, protection and progress. Thatís why Jesus tells us to deny ourselves first, then take up our cross, we always forget the ďdeny yourself ď part, then try to something and are surprised when it fails, and we fall on our face.
If you are heavy ladened with vices and appetites, how can we expect to take up our cross as well, let alone carry the thing.

Without fasting itís like the space shuttle trying take off by itself without boosters and guidance computer.
Sleeping on the floor, and cold showers adds more boosters. Denying yourself sleep, and comfort, really pushes you along like catching strong wave.

Self indulgence is opposed to living in the Spirit. Self denial is living in the supernatural reality, where Godís power, Providence and Guidance is greatly manifest. We canít do it alone, we need a lot of help.

If people offer you very fine food, eat it, but offer your corporeal enjoyment of it to Jesus as if He weíre eating it. The King of Kings deserves the finest of everything. We get more inspiration as we go along to look for ways of self denial. Pray for a love of self denial and to see the opportunities for it.

I remember a conference of Catholic business men years ago. It had long tables of every kind of food, you name it. And a monk or friar in grey habit was there as a spiritual director and would say prayers and blessings. When he was offered food from this amazing feast sitting quietly off to the side of the room, he said Ď Iíll just have a bite to eat Ď. It was just ďa bite to eat ď, it made a big impression on me, he couldnít care less about the finest delights on offer.
If ever he had an opportunity to treat himself, this was it. He didnít even tell the girl what he would like. He was indifferent about whatever was put on his plate, and he was only there under obedience probably.

I think self denial leads to a life lived more abundantly, something that an over indulged life canít compare.
I live in regret sometimes that could have helped more in the past very easily but didnít, but I am then prompted to live in the present. But itís a good reminder not to miss an opportunity in future.

Letís not waste our lives in self indulgence but pray for and urge each other to live by The Spirit more and more.
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Bears repeating for foolishness sake.
When you give away things, you give away some of what you have. When you give your whole Will and volition, you give all you have and are. That is why all else is counted as loss and seems trifling by comparison.

Jesus didnít give some of what He had, He gave all, and we wonít be happy or contented until we do the same for Him in return.
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When you give away things, you give away some of what you have.
You have not acknowledged anything that I've written or answered any questions I've asked. Do you suppose this is the will of God?

There is truth not just grace. The Bible is clear about the virtue of prudence, don't give your emergency provisions away during an emergency. David did not give away his slingshot to the poor as he went to face Goliath.
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I have to figure this guy isn't married - cold showers, fasting, bringing home drug addicts, giving away the preps,... no way a woman would have him, much less bear his children.

It is OK to have a hot shower with a nice bar of soap after a long day. It is OK to sleep in a little on your day off. Even my cats accept that and will wait patiently for their food.

It is OK for me to take a break from caregiving and go out shopping now and then. It is OK to keep your preps. If you want to share them, fine, but you don't have to give everything away.
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I have to figure this guy isn't married
The guy is stuck on grace AS IF the truth is not that the masculine Jesus will ultimately throw many into The Lake of Fire as justice demands. Rev 20:15.
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Oh the irony.
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That went right over my head but I will say when a man marries he makes a covenant with his wife, and himself, to love and protect her and their children, if they have any. That is at least as important as his other duties to God.

My Dad helped the homeless, for decades. He never brought them home. He gave money and time. He and his wife also worked to do other things, donating time and money. He did other things as well but you get the idea. He didn't endanger us by doing this.

I think that is a reasonable expectation - Biblically, to protect your wife and children AS you do God's work. And I think overall you can do it.

Now, if your wife is ALSO led by God to stick HER neck out as well that's another matter. But if you have children you have a responsibility to protect them.

That's all I'm saying.
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When you give away things, you give away some of what you have. When you give your whole Will and volition, you give all you have and are. That is why all else is counted as loss and seems trifling by comparison.

Jesus didnít give some of what He had, He gave all, and we wonít be happy or contented until we do the same for Him in return.
You may indeed be called upon to make that sacrifice. But that doesn't mean you seek out the headsman.

God does not expect us to abandon reason.
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You may indeed be called upon to make that sacrifice. But that doesn't mean you seek out the headsman.

God does not expect us to abandon reason.

Some are indeed called. Damien to Hawaii. Theresa to India. But the gist of the negative responses to the thread all seem to revolve around you putting on a backpack loaded with all your stuff, walking down the street and tossing it to every T,D and H. I donít believe that Rett feels that way, and I guarantee that I donít. As you say, abandoning reason is silly. No different than walking across a firing range claiming God will protect you.

We just have a Faith in Jesus that He will protect us and supply us if He calls on us to help others in need. If He brings a family to our door in desperate need, we will have whatís necessary to help them. If we run into a need when we are out and about, we will have what is needed to take care of their needs. We simply canít outgive Jesus. And the more that we give freely to those less fortunate, the more we get back. The problem is, that many simply do not trust Jesus to refill the tank. No different than fasting, we just assume that since Christ said it was good for us, we do it. Jesus said how we treat the least of us is how we treat him. I donít want to be the one to turn Jesus away because ďweíre in an emergency and we might need itĒ.
Faith and trust are synonymous. Both are acts of your free will that are truly incompatible with human nature.
Itís a long, hard haul to get to that mindset, but the results are astounding!
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Some are indeed called. Damien to Hawaii. Theresa to India. But the gist of the negative responses to the thread all seem to revolve around you putting on a backpack loaded with all your stuff, walking down the street and tossing it to every T,D and H. I don’t believe that Rett feels that way, and I guarantee that I don’t. As you say, abandoning reason is silly. No different than walking across a firing range claiming God will protect you.

We just have a Faith in Jesus that He will protect us and supply us if He calls on us to help others in need. If He brings a family to our door in desperate need, we will have what’s necessary to help them. If we run into a need when we are out and about, we will have what is needed to take care of their needs. We simply can’t outgive Jesus. And the more that we give freely to those less fortunate, the more we get back. The problem is, that many simply do not trust Jesus to refill the tank. No different than fasting, we just assume that since Christ said it was good for us, we do it. Jesus said how we treat the least of us is how we treat him. I don’t want to be the one to turn Jesus away because “we’re in an emergency and we might need it”.
Faith and trust are synonymous. Both are acts of your free will that are truly incompatible with human nature.
It’s a long, hard haul to get to that mindset, but the results are astounding!
I guess the struggle I'm having with this thread is getting a handle on what the gameplan actually is, the verbiage I'm getting from Rett seems a little vague on particulars, which may account for some of the responses.

Maybe it's getting us a bit off topic trying to suss it out.

People like Noah and Joseph had the benefit of direct divine command or prophetic dreams. We just kind of have to muddle about, with gut instinct and trust that the plan works together for good, to those who trust in Him.
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I guess the struggle I'm having with this thread is getting a handle on what the gameplan actually is, the verbiage I'm getting from Rett seems a little vague on particulars, which may account for some of the responses.

Maybe it's getting us a bit off topic trying to suss it out.

People like Noah and Joseph had the benefit of direct divine command or prophetic dreams. We just kind of have to muddle about, with gut instinct and trust that the plan works together for good, to those who trust in Him.
I do get you. This type of understanding requires taking Scripture to a deeper level as well as tying in many private revelations weíve received, which gives a clearer understanding of of what Jesus really wants from us. A level of trust very difficult to embrace in todayís world.
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CM, are you married? Kids? Is your wife on board with this giving away all the food because Jesus "will" give it back?

Because I don't think a healthy, loving, Mom is going to be OK with that.

The Bible, again and again, especially in Proverbs, talks about using common sense.

I will also go back to reminding you that if you put yourself out as a resource your recipients are going to remember this even after you tap out. Then you get to explain to your wife why raiders came to the house, abused her and the children, and took the last of the food whereas your OPSEC neighbor next door did not get a visit.

I feel most of you are men and are not understanding a responsibility to PROTECT wife and children from bad guys.
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CM, are you married? Kids? Is your wife on board with this giving away all the food because Jesus "will" give it back?

Because I don't think a healthy, loving, Mom is going to be OK with that.

The Bible, again and again, especially in Proverbs, talks about using common sense.

I will also go back to reminding you that if you put yourself out as a resource your recipients are going to remember this even after you tap out. Then you get to explain to your wife why raiders came to the house, abused her and the children, and took the last of the food whereas your OPSEC neighbor next door did not get a visit.

I feel most of you are men and are not understanding a responsibility to PROTECT wife and children from bad guys.

PK, I sincerely do not know how to make you understand, even though Iíve clearly said in all of my posts what I believe.

My wife (of 41 years), and my (long grown and gone) family will always come first. Jesus absolutely expects us to take care of them first.

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Some are indeed called. Damien to Hawaii. Theresa to India. But the gist of the negative responses to the thread all seem to revolve around you putting on a backpack loaded with all your stuff, walking down the street and tossing it to every T,D and H.
I get that youíre scared and worried. I get that you think that what resources you have may not be enough to see you and your husband through (insert emergency here). It sounds like you live in a scary area, and may have personal knowledge and therefore fear of people learning that you have preps and will break in to take them by force. I understand all that.

Let me try to be clear. My first and foremost duty is to Jesus. Jesus tells us to take care of our family, so they are first on the list. That being said, I fully trust that if Jesus brings to me someone in need, and I give them what they need, Jesus will make sure that it does not harm me or my family. Period. Somehow, some way, He makes sure that we will not be harmed nor go hungry if we follow His Mandate.

You speak of common sense. If a guy drives up in his Bentley smoking a stogie comes up asking for a handout, Iíll probably turn him down. If a strung out chick asks for cash, Iíll definitely say no (but Iíd offer a sandwich). Iíve said before, we can imagine a hundred different scenarios where simple prudence precludes our actions. But I know that my unwavering trust in Jesus allows me to discern. He leads us to those truly in need. Those we can help. And I trust that He will protect me. Really, whatís the point in saying you have Faith (trust), if you donít practice it?

For my part, I absolutely, positively KNOW that Jesus wants to be actively involved in our corporal as well as spiritual lives. He proves it to me every day. And the more I turn over my day to day life to Him, frankly the better it is.

I dunno, maybe itís a product of our different understandings of our Faith. The RCC has always believed and taught that Jesus wants to be a direct part of our lives, not just the main subject of a book compiled 2,000 years ago. Thatís why weíre so big on the Sacraments. Thatís why we believe in the Real Presence. And weíve so many instances of His, and His Motherís interactions with us over the centuries. Increasingly more in the last few years. (I could talk about this for hours!)
Maybe Iím wrong, but Sola Scriptura believers just seem to treat Jesus more as an abstract than a day to day part of real life.

Iím just not afraid to put my life in the hands of Jesus, because when you allow Him to run your life, what could possibly go wrong?
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PK, that is the great benefit of the food pantrys. The hungry know where to go for food and I can give anonymously
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P.S. BTW, donít worry, I have weapons and know how to use them. And I fully trust Jesus to tell me when to use them!
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I feel most of you are men and are not understanding a responsibility to PROTECT wife and children from bad guys.
I certainly understand my responsibility to protect myself. Who, by the way, was also made in the image of God.

While I understand the Appeal to Emotion in invoking women and children, I reject the principle that a man is a sacrificial animal. Being sacrificed to Group A (women and children) is no better than being sacrificed to Group B (generic panhandlers, looters, bad guys - bums) or sacrificed to Group C (government via transfer of wealth schemes, prison or military 'service').

Finally, I look at my wife, children, and grandchildren as natural extensions of myself. I realize the false gospel promotors of charity always want us all to consider everyone extensions of themselves, that falsehood does not hold up to scrutiny. Again, see Rev 20:15 where Jesus ultimately throws people into the Lake of Fire on Judgement Day. Sometimes, no matter how bad you feel about it, you got to take the trash out!
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I am not cowering in my home, but I have lived in some very bad places and use wisdom. I CAN always buy and donate supplies to a shelter or church...but it would take a lot for me to hand out what I have right now.

God commands a man to protect/provide for his wife and children, if any. I see no harm in reminding y'all of that.
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